"The U.S. military says it has discovered a mass grave near Mosul, in northern Iraq, which may contain as many as 400 bodies. The remains are believed to be those of Kurdish civilians killed during the Saddam Hussein regime. "
"Military specialists say they have already exhumed the remains of 25 women and children, found buried some three meters below ground. The corpses all had what appeared to be bullet holes in their skulls. "
This was reason enough to remove Saddam from power. We have found over 60 mass graves in the few months since we have been there and all the left can ask is "where are the weapons of mass destruction"?
I say we already found the weapons of mass destruction. We removed him from power and he will not do this anymore. There are also over 500,000 civilians missing since Saddam took power. These numbers are from the NY Post. Research it.
How many more mass graves have we prevented by removing Saddam from power? These were women and children not ENEMY COMBANTANTS. I dont see how some of you can consider yourselves a humanitarian and yet not have wanted to stop this. How dare you. If even one of these bodies were a member of your family you would have wanted to stop it. But since its not all you care about are "Where are the weapons of mass destruction"?
You make me sick
Posted by at July 18, 2003 05:51 PM | TrackBackI dunno about the title weapons of mass dest, I would suggest ... "killings of mass destruction".
Either way it's sickening.
Posted by: Muddy at July 19, 2003 11:42 AMSo what your saying is that there should be a full investigation on who approved my using that title...
Bill Clinton lied to us all and even told us that oral sex was not sex. There was actually a study done on the use of oral sex among teenagers before and after the Clinton scandel. They found a severe rise in the use of oral sex among teenagers after Bill Clinton told them that it was ok.
And they are worried about a single sentence from Bush in the state of the union. Give me a break.
Posted by: cwilli at July 19, 2003 03:22 PMcan't argue with that :-D
Clinton a sad little man.
But we can't ignore he was a horrid military commander, as he allowed us to see on many an occasion.
Posted by: Muddy at July 19, 2003 05:58 PMAfter the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, which killed six and injured 1,000, President Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.
After the 1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed five U.S. military personnel, Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.
After the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed 19 and injured 200 U.S. military personnel, Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.
After the 1998 bombing of U.S. embassies in Africa, which killed 224 and injured 5,000, Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.
After the 2000 bombing of the USS Cole, which killed 17 and injured 39 U.S. sailors, Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.
Perhaps if Clinton had kept his promises, over 3,000 people would be alive today.
In 1996 the government of Sudan had Osama bin Laden in their custody and offered to hand him over to the United States. Bill Clinton and his liberal cohorts elected not to take the Sudanese up on their offer. Why? Because they couldn't figure out a legal means of trying him! But Clinton sure knew how to argue the meaning of is!
I blame Bill Clinton for 9/11.
This is where this info came from:
http://www.angelfire.com/md2/Ldotvets/Bubba.html
LOL.
have a nice day I sure am, sipping my french merlot...hmmmm. yummy.
Posted by: les at July 25, 2003 03:17 AMTruth and reality hurt all liers alike... whether they're called Bush and Clinton or Nixon...
Yes Saddam has killed thousands... No body ever denied that. He was an horrible dictator. I can't think of any body denying that.
But no there were no Weapons of mass destruction. No irak was never a threat to USA security and Irak never had any link with al quaida.
Saoudi arabia has many links with the alquaida terrorists, Iran has some ... Irak had none because its regime was not religious and fighting religious leaders. And alquaida is a muslim organisation. (while some palestinian terrorist organisation for example are not religiours based)
So all in all truth appear and every body has to admit France was right to warn the USA about an illegal war with no clear justification and a hell of a work that would come after it.
For the moment yet invading Irak has proved efficient. Now the USA finaly back the palestinian cause... well not really but they start saying they do. Now democracy may emerge in Irak and if succeeds there it will help the iranian students and egyptian and all those fighting for democracy.
But please remember this, invading aghanistan has helped the anti alquaida cause. Invading Irak has not, it has rather fuelled for the time being the anti USA feeling all over the world.
The situation in Afganhistan and Irak is still very shaky. It is only by bringing peace and order that the USA will get security.
shock and awe are useless tools against terrorist fighting for the survival of their culture, their honor. You can not frighten some one ready to die. You can only convince the others that is fighting goes in the wrong direction.
Clinton however corrupted, however abusive with women had us like the USA, land of free speach, hate the right wingers who give a dawn about a blow job and wether or not it is a sex act, did a lot to bring peace in the middle east (which is the best way to stop terrorism) and gave way to some sort of world government with the creation of the WTO. I mean he seemed to care about the world. And also he weemed to have a brain.
Bush seems to have none. And if he thinks he believes in god, I feel sure he has no real knowledge of god and the bible.
greed and retaliation are sins.
Christ forgives Sloth and lust much more easily than he does avarice.
He was a bummer, forgiving to a prostitute, but he did not allow the sellers in the house of god to go on.
Yeah Clinton at least seemed human he admitted weaknesses. Bush sounds rather like an antechrist working for the anhilation of our planet by spreading hate at each other all over the world.
Posted by: definitely at July 29, 2003 11:15 AMDF: As usual I could not disagree with you more.
First you say:
"Yes Saddam has killed thousands... No body ever denied that. He was an horrible dictator. I can't think of any body denying that.
But no there were no Weapons of mass destruction. No irak was never a threat to USA security and Irak never had any link with al quaida"
I am saying he was a weapon of mass destruction himself killing thousands. Look up the definition of the term WMD and you will see that anything that kills in mass can be called a weapon of mass destruction. I also disagree that Iraq was never a threat to the USA and there are proven links to Al Quaida but as you said people prefer to hear what they want to believe.
"So all in all truth appear and every body has to admit France was right to warn the USA about an illegal war with no clear justification and a hell of a work that would come after it."
no the only right France has is to keep its mouth shut. France was on Saddams payroll, Everybody knows that. Follow the money you monkey, just like you always do.
"Clinton however corrupted, however abusive with women had us like the USA, land of free speach, hate the right wingers who give a dawn about a blow job and wether or not it is a sex act, did a lot to bring peace in the middle east (which is the best way to stop terrorism) and gave way to some sort of world government with the creation of the WTO. I mean he seemed to care about the world. And also he weemed to have a brain."
It does not suprise me you would be a Clinton supporter. Listen to this you dumbass. CLINTON IS THE REASON WE HAD 9/11. IF HE WOULD NOT HAVE DISMATLED OUR CIA THEN WE WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO STOP IT! But I understand that your lack of intelligence keeps you from understanding this. Its ok. Thats why you live in France.
BTW you idiot. I care about the whole blowjob thing. I care because we have a right to raise our kids the right way. When the President teaches them that a blow job is not sex then they belive that they are ok to do it. Again I dont expect you to understand. Your an idiot. Thats why you live in France.
"I feel sure he has no real knowledge of god and the bible."
and again you show you ignorance. He is a very religious man. I would not expect you to be able to do any research on facts that you regurgitate from other mindless people. Again, thats why you live in France.
Posted by: cwilli at July 31, 2003 12:31 AMLook up the definition of the term WMD and you will see that anything that kills in mass can be called a weapon of mass destruction.
OK let's be clearer. SAddam had no weapons that could pose a threat to the USA or even to the region. His missiles were poor, his chemical stock was close to zero, he had no nuclear program, he had handed over almost everything to
the UNO. But the USA government and its british allies lied purposively and pretended the opposite.
now about your sources... I'd be happy to see where and When was France on Irak's payroll. french firms had no more contracts than the USA firms had.
ANd by the way of course I know president Bush thinks he is very religious and acts so. I just think he ought to reread certain verses of the new testament. I feel he is a pharisian.
you can not stop terrorism by fighting it, just like you cannot stop crime by putting more police force on the streets or keeping the people longer in jail. These are called palliatives. Terrorism just as crime have causes. One could mention unjust world, wealth inequalities, egoism, lack of a shared vision of the future, arrogance of the leaders ... many many things. Believing the CIA could have stopped anything is like saying if the kid had had his umbrella he would not have become sick in the rain. Well yes may be. But why was he walking in the rain ? I mean from every non american point of view, the more the USA protect them self the more it shows that they are egoists that will never compromise on anything that might hurt their economy, better called their wealth. So go for it, have your CIA, FBI, shock and awe, laser beams ... whatever. If within and outside of your country the number of your ennemies grows ... its useless.
Kill them. That's what you're doing. Go on. The terrorist first, then their families, their governments, their lawyers...
This fight is already lost.
The western world used to have confidence in the fact that its values could be shared by all humans. It put forward human rights and democracy.
That's great. It still has an appeal to most.
It put forward capitalism, hard work, bank system and the like. Well this is not working any more. Because every body can see now that you can only get rich if someone else goes poor. It's a zero sum game, where Nature fixes the limit. If all the chinese would be as rich as the US citizens our earth would be too polluted to live in.
Terrorism stems out of this also. All those with a brain have understood that the only way to become rich is to leave within the western world, best within the USA. If you are outside, you have no chance what so ever. All those with a brain know that rich countries can remain rich just as long as the other remain poor. And they resent it.
Rightly so.
So you'll understand that in face of the world issues, I don't give a damn if clinton had a good blow job and if it's called a sex or not.
I mean if it were to me it would never had been on TV, protection of the president's right to privacy.
DF: Your meaningless babble as usual has no real points
"Believing the CIA could have stopped anything is like saying if the kid had had his umbrella he would not have become sick in the rain. Well yes may be. But why was he walking in the rain ?"
What the hell is that? That has to be the worst comparison ever. HE WAS WALKING IN THE RAIN BECAUSE IT WAS HIS JOB.
Bush will get his 4 more years, the economy will turn, Iragi's will get a democratic government and the middle east will think twice before they screw with us.
France will still be the toilet of the world and you will still be politically retarded.
Posted by: cwilli at July 31, 2003 12:42 PMYour insults pile up as evidence of your lack of arguments.
You "bable" as the iraki information minister.
So far I told you there were no WMD, none were found, I told staying in Irak would be a hell of a job, it is a hell of a job (and it will take a very long time before you can reduce the number of soldiers), I told you you'd be asking for UNO's help... This is under way.
I'm telling you the US economy is doomed, reason being : too big balance of payment deficit.
This will proove real.
Let's put a stake at this.
If by the end of 2008 (end of a supposed bush second term), the GDP of the USA is higher than it is today, I owe you 50 bucks.
Sounds like a fair bet if you look at the present figures. 2008 might be a little soon... But still. Especially if bush stays in power. I see the dollar falling faster than the international trade, with raising interest rates, sluggish economy, fleeing K ... And suddenly a US government deciding that the freedom of investors has to curbed. Control on capital flows will reappear.
And by the way, the middle east never screwed with "you". Some terrorists, born in the middle east, screwed you.
Posted by: DF at July 31, 2003 06:55 PMMy insults that pile up are only due to my intolorance for your lack of intelligence. But I did like the joke about the iraqi foreign miniser. That wasnt bad.
The US economy is not doomed. We are the beacon of civilization for the entire world. Anyone who has ever been to other countries, especially any communist countries, knows this. Our standard if living is much, much higher than anywhere else in the world and to believe that our economy is doomed due to a big balace of payment deficit is again unintelligent. We have high hugh deficits in the past. We always make it throught and each year our economy grows. You should take a look at your own economy DF. Thats the one you should be worried about.
DF, you actually want to bet on the GDP? The same GDP that has grown every quarter since 3rd Q 2001? The same GDP that has only been negative 3 times since 1 Q 2000? I will take you up on that bet DF. In fact lets send the money to charity.
My charity is:
Voices For Children
5550 Sterrett Place, Suite 215
Columbia, MD 21044
Phone: (410)740-0933
Fax: (410)740-0975
Email: voices@erols.com
WWW Site: http://www.voicesforchildren.org
Please let me know what your charity is. Also the bet is for 50 AMERICAN dollars. Not that crap your guys call money.
The loser will mail the winner the reciept for the donation.
The Current USA economy:
http://money.cnn.com/2003/07/31/news/economy/gdp/
http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=FT.com/StoryFT/FullStory&c=StoryFT&cid=1059478635562
http://money.cnn.com/2003/08/01/markets/futureforecast/
The Current French economy:
http://www.expatica.com/france.asp pad=278,313,&item_id=32732
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3058349.stm
Yeah I know the bet is risky.
It's just, I know the american economy is a kind of a huge bubble in itself. THe question is only when it will burst. May be not in the 4 coming years... I mean may be everything will go fine in Irak and Israel... Tensions will ease, economic growth will become world wide...
Now if you want to know, the economy of the USA can stand huge balance of payment deficit because its currency, the dollar, is used in international trade. International trade grows each year, so does then demand for the dollar, more and more dollars are outside the economy of the USA. More and more each year the economy of the USA depends on what foreigners think it is worth.
This situation has never ever happened to my knowledge in history. Before Gold was the international currency.
The day traders stop to trusting the dollar, and want to swap to yen or euro... The US economy is doomed.
All these last 20 years, the USA have borrowed money to the rest of the world. THey are net debtors... This can not go on forever. One day you will have to pay back. And this will hurt.
Posted by: DF at August 1, 2003 11:17 PMand by the way. Funds should go to amnesty international.
Posted by: DF at August 1, 2003 11:20 PMYou dont know anything.
"THe question is only when it will burst. May be not in the 4 coming years"
I will take that as an official backpeddle. I expected as much.
Posted by: cwilli at August 1, 2003 11:22 PMI will take that as ...
Typical american over interpretation.
Close to it, you have british intelligence have revealed that Irak has tried to get uranium, or aluminum tubes that may be used for nuclear programs, or trucks that are used in order to produce chemical weapons, or unmanned planes that are killing drones ... And the like ...
No no. I want my 50 bucks.
It is a risky bet. Indeed. But if it can help you realise how fragile your economy is...
And if not, well it just gives me an all lot of fun.