From FOX40 KTXL
The Bill Would Allow Undocumented Immigrants To Submit A State-approved Form Of Identification To Apply For A Drivers License
SACRAMENTO -- A bill that would allow undocumented immigrants to obtain drivers' licenses, an issue that has worked its way into the debate surrounding the attempt to recall Gov. Gray Davis, passed the state Assembly on Tuesday.
In a debate in English and Spanish, Republicans and Democrats argued about whether the bill would harm or help public safety before approving it by a 44-30 vote and sending it back to the Senate for consideration of amendments.
The legislation, by Sen. Gil Cedillo, D-Los Angeles, would help undocumented immigrants get drivers' licenses by allowing them to submit a federal taxpayer identification number or some other state-approved form of identification to the Department of Motor Vehicles instead of a Social Security number.
The U.S. Internal Revenue Service issues taxpayer identification numbers to tax filers who cannot qualify for Social Security numbers, which authorize a person to work legally in the United States.
Davis has vetoed two similar bills since he became governor, citing law enforcement's concerns about the legislation. After he vetoed the bill last year, the Legislature's Latino caucus refused to endorse him for re-election.
Last month, at an anti-recall rally in Los Angeles, the governor said he would sign the latest bill "in a heartbeat" if it reached his desk.
Aides said he wanted to sign the bill all along and that a number of law enforcement officials are now comfortable with the legislation.
Republicans have accused Davis of agreeing to sign the bill to try to win Hispanic votes to defeat the recall and contend it would raise security concerns in the wake of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.
"Why is he willing to put the state at risk, the country at risk, the electorate at risk? It's his last grasp at keeping the governorship," said Assemblyman Dennis Mountjoy, R-Monrovia, who claimed the bill would "open the road" to a movement to reclaim parts of the southwestern United States for Mexico.
Another opponent, Assemblyman Doug La Malfa, R-Biggs, said the bill was "an invitation for voter fraud. Why don't we just rescind the need for citizenship? That's where we are going with this."
But Democrats said up to 2 million illegal immigrants are driving without proper licenses already and that someone who wants to obtain a fake drivers' license can get one now on big-city street corners.
Cedillo's bill, they said, would improve public safety by helping ensure that all drivers pass a driving exam and have insurance.
"I want to have everybody behind the wheel to have been tested and I want them to be carrying insurance," said Assemblywoman Jackie Goldberg, D-Los Angeles. "And I don't want any more of this foolishness that this is about homeland security.
"What this is about is there are certain people you just don't want to have on the road, to have any rights," she told Republicans. "That is just wrong."
Assemblyman Darrell Steinberg, D-Sacramento, said the bill would actually help law enforcement by giving them a way to identify illegal immigrants.
"If an individual is here in the country illegally, law enforcement has no means of identifying that person," he said. "But if the bill passes we'll have a database on persons who currently cannot otherwise be tracked."
Assemblyman Juan Vargas, D-San Diego, contended the bill's opponents were motivated by "such hatred, such vehemence against these people that we cannot trust on the road. Yet we entrust our parents, our children, our homes to them. We entrust our food to them. We entrust everything to them except for our rights."
But Assemblyman Ray Haynes, R-Murrieta, said the opposition "had nothing to do with race."
"If you enter this country illegally you're not supposed to be working here," he said. "It's been that way for quite some time."
Posted by Muddy at September 7, 2003 10:50 PM | TrackBack coming from a working- taxpaying-natural citizen of the state of california and united states-
This law is bullcrap. Gov. Gray Davis (who i'm asshamed has my last name) is only signing this bill, one he refused to sign twice before, only passed it for the MExican vote in his upcoming recall election, set in early Oct. If it wasn't for his recall, he'd of vetoed it AGAIN.
Allowing illegal imigrants to drive will not help stop the problem of uninsured mexican people driving- it will make it worst. Does my state legislator really think they are improving our illegal imigrant problem? Or do they take Californians as stupid... hmmm.
Do legal immigrants even get drivers licences, or insurance, hell no..... The rule in cali is- if your' hit by a mexican- your screwed. They have no insurnace and always claim they hurt their neck... it's a lose lose situation for tax paying drivers.
Many of you may not have problems with immigration, (special muddy who is landlocked). Here in So-Cal- Mexican immigrants steal jobs that are rightfully ours. They also illegaly sell fruit/other goods that are not taxed.
Next time your state has a proposition promoting illegal immigrants..i'd shoot it down.. if you think immigration will stop here in CAli your wrong- i'm sure other states like Texas, New MExico- Florida, NY all have major immigrant problems.... these immigrants will soon creep inland and invaid states like Oaklahoma- Idaho- Ohio- (seems they wont venture to North Dakoda or WI, or MI, (toooo cold for them so you guys are lucky)
if you get anything from this post- remember to vote no on pro illegal imigrant laws.
Landlocked?? LOL nice man, I think most Metro's have a large Hispanic population now. 10 years ago you didn't see many Hispanic folks, now 1 out of 10 here is.
As far as Michigan goes I hear they have the largest population of Arabs, so it all depends which Immigrants your speaking about.
As far as Immigration itself goes I believe every one has a fair shot, however I also believe if they don't come into this country according to our rules and guidelines and don't seek citizenship they need to be dumped back into their countries.
I believe the comedian I saw the other day had a good idea... create a 1/2 mile wide river of fire between Mexico and the U.S. and then we'll have a new Reality Show, "Illegal Immigrants Survivor!".
WELL the immigration problem i speak of is the illegal one..if your legal- i got no problem with you. as for illegal immigrant surviovor- add a machine gun on the otherside too ;-)
Posted by: kevin at September 15, 2003 06:37 PMA new reality show, huh? Well I hate them all (reality shows that is) ...BUT I must admit, this suggestion made me purk up my ears...er...eyes in this case:-)
What comedian said that? With a show like that, maybe we'd finally be able to weed out the ones who really want to be here to have a better life as compaired to the ones who just want to screw us over. Then again, maybe nothing would "weed" them out at all.
Interresting idea though:-)
Posted by: mrs. muddy at September 15, 2003 08:19 PMnot to seem offensive to all the others who posted comments, but i am hispanic and proud of it, i wasnt born here, but my first language is english and i know more about US history than about my own country, the way not all immigrants are mexicans, i am ashamed to call all of you my fellow americans, your comments are racist, and stereotipical. if there are many people like you in this country than i am ashamed to call myself an American Citizen.
Posted by: maquino at November 5, 2003 01:09 AMManquino, perhaps you missed the point. Nobody has a problem with people coming to America the proper way. I love to learn about other cultures and such. Our problem is with people running accross the border, and putting yet another burden on the American people. We create enough problems we don't need more. Nobody should have a drivers licence, get welfare, or be givin Anything at all if they are not here leagelly.
Posted by: muddy at November 5, 2003 03:58 AMMaquino:
I completely agree w/ my husband. I do NOT mind when people LEGALLY come into this country for a better life - I mean - God bless them all! I hope they are able to find and live the life they're looking for. I have a HUGE problem w/people being here ILLEGALLY and expecially when they can drive our roads and get jobs when they ARE here illegally.
If you're an immigrant and you want a job - fine. If you want a drivers licence - fine - BUT go through the system to get it done properly! No, the "system" is NOT perfect by a long shot....but, it's ALL we've got.
yea us TAX payers are tired of people bending us over- itneeds to stop
Posted by: kevin at November 6, 2003 12:45 AMwell hello i don't agree with all of you. maybe you need to get some history clases and learn that wvery body here in the united states are immigrants except for the native americans. remember that somehow our ancesters were immigrants.some may say that immigrants take jobs that "americans" don't want, but a more sensible statement is that immigrants take jobs that americans do not want at the going wage. no wonder all these striks are going on come on people think we need immigrants they;re what we need economically and one more think not all immigrants are mexicans get an education there are undocumented middle easterns, russians europeans, asians and the list goes on
Posted by: Melissa at November 10, 2003 07:52 PMMelissa:
"...every body here in the United States are immigrants..."
No one's arguing that...personally I've got Native American, English, Scottish and Irish in me (an original Heinz 57 I am).....but that's NOT the point.
"...not all immigrants are mexicans.....there are undocumented middle easterns, russians, europeans, asians...."
No one's arguing that either. We mentioned there are other immigrants....BUT that's NOT the point either.
The whole true point is that we're talking about ILLEGAL immigrants. Obviously, things are different now than they were back then...such as the immigration system. Ok, I admit, I have no clue as how America's "system" with immigrants worked a hundered years ago (maybe I should look into that just out of curiousity and add it to the 12 dozen other things I need to accomplish) or even if they HAD a true working "system" ( I'm assuming they did) but all I know is today.
Today, we have a posionous cancer in this country called "political correctness" where Heaven FORBID we demand immigrants (no matter WHAT country your from) to obtain jobs and a drivers license (which is really how this whole debate got started...drivers licenses) Legally (and no, I'm not talking about ALL immigrants...some DO go through the proper channels), because dear God....we might just Offend some one. God knows even after 9/11 we wouldn't want immigrants to go through the "system" properly because we just might get a group of people mad at us even though we're looking out for THEIR saftey as well as ours.
I'm sorry, if we come off as offensive to you (or in my case tonight...a little pissy) that's just because some of us (like Keven, I'm sure) are just going on our personal experiences.
The bottom line is, WE as AMERICAN CITIZENS...whether you were born here or not...we ALL abide by the rules and laws of this society (which I assume YOU do too) and when one of us breaks these laws, WE get punishment and sometimes thrown in jail and/or prison. Is it REALLY too much to ask that these potential American Citizens abide by the same laws WE do...starting with abiding by the rules of the very SAME "system" that will bring the citizenship they so desire? I do NOT think that's too much to ask at all....In fact...I DEMAND it!
If getting all the right documents and visas from your country were possible then every illegal immigrant in this country would be LEGAL. The reason illegal immigrants exist is because it is almost impossible to get the permission from your country to get here. The only reason why I am legal in this country was because of a civil war in my country and all my family was killed, Millions of people face these fears at home and more and have no other choice but to run away from our countries.
I know people who are illegal here in the U.S and have lived here for more then 15 years. They work they have a family they pay taxes they live a normal life. They also live in fear that they cannot drive their kids to school because they do not have a license. If some one with out a license is stopped by a cop they get fined and their car impounded.
In all the time they have been here they have paid thousands of dollars to lawyers trying to straiten out their status here in the US. But nothing works!
Reading some the comments I have read in this page makes me realize that people do not have a heart and do not speak before they speak. They wish death of people who they call illegal immigrants. I think these people need to be evaluated beause no one should wish harm on anyone. It is also sad to read that there are arrogant people with racist thoughts also …….
Andrea:
Wow! Sounds like you've been through complete HELL - to put it mildly. Look, there is no such thing as a "one size fits all" situation and solution. And it's not that people "do not have a heart" because we do. Fact is EVERYONE can only truely speak about his or her experiences. I personally was born and raised a US citizen as were both of my parents and my grandparents (we've been here quite a while) but by NO means does it mean I or we think we are better nor does it mean we are not aware of SOME of the things going on with immigration. My point is (and excuse my rambling....I do that alot) we ALL have our own "world" (whether we live in this country or some other country) that we live in and that's the only "world" which we have the experience to speak of. Not NECESSARILY because we're arrogant ( though that is the case at times) but because all of our individual "worlds" are the only ones we know. It doesn't necessarily mean we won't try to understand the other sides of the story.
What you said (about your problem with immigration) is obviously an excellent point...as you well know. I don't know, I've always felt personally that there are alot of great intentions with the system of the legalization of immigrants BUT unfortunately and obviously there's alot of ridiculous red tape involved AND obviously there is a lack (to put it mildly) of people within the system working together (I assume anyway). Bad communication, shifting responsibility and playing the blame game are all part of a severe break down to ANY organization...especially Immigration.
I understand there are countries in the world that make it darn near impossible to give there citizens the proper papers to allow them to become US citizens. I may live in MY specific world but I'm not nieve nor stupid. Unfortunately, there still remains the very real concern of terroism. I don't know, maybe giving EVERYONE a license will help us keep better track of them ( though I'm not conviced of that ). The sad thing is is that it's sometimes impossible to "punish" the bad and evil people without making the good and innocent pay as well. It's never an intension to do things in that manner but obviously, it happens AND it is VERY unfortunate it does.
Obviously I do not have all the answers (and I never claim to ) if I did...I'd be God :-) And the debate goes on.....
Posted by: mrs. muddy at November 15, 2003 02:52 PMThe problem is that not everyone is an honest hardworking person. There are people who come here legally jsut to mooch off the system (a big problem is Lewiston, Maine right now.) That's not to mention the people who come here to wreak havoc. It should be difficult to get into this country, for the same reasons that it should be difficult to get into my college (Ga Tech.) If it wasn't, then we'd let alot of bad apples in. Not good. Sorry that you've been through what you've been through, and I wish there were a better way, but until someone finds a better way to sort out the good would-be citizens from the criminals, tough scrutinization is the only way.
Posted by: skywalker at November 15, 2003 04:19 PMMost people that come to U.S come looking for new oportunities for themselfs and their families I don't know why some people treat them so bad by being racist. when you know that in fact they do help with our economy and not all come here and get welfare and all the other stuff.
I am mexican and I am proud to say it I am here legally but i have friends that are not and not because of that are any different from us.
I also pay taxes and i contribute to the economy as well. by giving them licenses we are not giving them rights that they desserve we are just giving them a chance to prove themself because you know that if you have a car you are require to have insurance on it by law so don't say that they won't have insurrance and all that crap.
"...you know that if you have a car you are required tho have insurance on it by law so don't say that they won't have insurance and all that crap."
I won't say ALL won't have insurane BUT SOME won't. And it's not crap.
Let me tell you a little story: Almost 5yrs ago, there was a young couple. And this couple was going through a very difficult financial time. Yes, most of their hardships ( if not all) were brought on by themselves BUT they were trying to learn from their lesson(s) and committed to strive be more responsible people. Well, in this very difficult financial time, they were faced with certain money dicisions EVERY day, such as: "Gee, now, with THIS paycheck, we can
1) make a payment on the electric,
2) make a payment on the gas (so we don't freeze in the cold whether outside),
3) pay the $189.00 car payment,
4) pay our rent (so we won't get evicted
5) and then put food on the table for the next 2 weeks with the 100 dollars we will have left over and hope it will feed 3 people. OR, we can
1) make a payment on the electric and
2) a small payment on the gas ( so they won't shut it off),
3) pay our rent
4) pay our car insurance
"We can only do 4 things...so let's decide what's NOT going to get paid this time."
No kidding, that's exactly how things were for this couple. So unfortunately, one day, they decided that since they needed shelter, food and a place to cook their meals more then they decided that they would have to forfit in paying the car insurance. NOT because the insurance didn't matter (it was the against the LAW not to have it) but this couple knew that because of their situation they could only do the best they could and because of their extreem lack of money (at that time) they had to let SOMETHING go unpaid. They were NOT proud of it, they hated it but they were trying to do thier best so they very reluctantly let the insurence slide.
And no, I'm NOT making this up. The young couple of this story is non other than me and my darling Muddy. Things are much better now...thank you Jesus...(that situation was Years ago) but my point is that even though something is a law does not mean that people will abide by it (we DO have prisons and jails prooving my point). Sometimes it's choosing between the leaser of the two evils (as was in our case) but people DO drive around without insurance all the time! Yes, you can show PROOF of insurance when you go to get your license (that is the law here as I'm assuming it is in the rest of the country....I don't know) BUT who can stop you from DROPPING the insurace (for WHATEVER reason) AFTER you get your license?
For the record, Muddy and I are BOTH fully insured now :-) I hope no one will ever be in the position we were in...though reality tells me differently.
*Sorry Muddy, I just needed to get my point across better...love you baby:-)*
Posted by: mrs. muddy at November 19, 2003 12:13 PMExcuse me Foxy, but a) i never said all or even most people come here to mooch. I just said that not all who come are honest and hard working.
b) point out a single racist remark in anyone int his discussion's comments.
Sorry, playing the race card with me is a losing situation. Cause #1 I'm not 100% white (I only look it); #2 white people aren't the only racists or bigots (go to south-central LA and tell me that I am wrong, or downtown Atlanta for that matter); #3 a racist is someone who believes one race to be genetically superior to another, and judging by your use of the word, I'd say you didn't know that because no one here has made any comment to that effect.
The issue at hand is driver's licenses for illegal aliens REGARDLESS of race. If your illegal friends (and believe me I know illegal aliens too) what to prove themselves, how about doing it the proper way by working hard and attempting to get a visa and ultimately citizenship. Or...work hard on making life in their countries of origin better.
Driving in the US is privilege NOT a right, so I don't see where there is a problem with not granting that privilege to people who shouldn't be in this country.
Posted by: skywalker at November 19, 2003 02:30 PMok foxy, and all you other "please stop being racist people"
immigration is a problem here, yes some of you from other countries have it horrible where you are..and coming here is a chance at a better life, even if you do it the illegal way. BUT, our country has the responsibility of taking care of us AMERICANS first, and money that is waisted on illegal immigrants really needs to be going to skywalkers education, or to helping the poor or finding a cure for cancer. As harsh as this may seem-
As for immigrants not wanting to go through the system because it's too hard...thats too bad..if you want to live in this country play by the rules and do it the legal way, you'll be better off.
Giving illegal immigrants a drives licence will only make America more appealing to those who want to come here illegaly. And as for insurance, they wont get it, and if they do they'll cancle it right after they get their tags. Here in CA you need insurance and a valid drives licence to "tag" your car. AFter that they will cancle insurance, and who gets stuck wiht the bill, people like me. i dont want that.
everyone also needs to remember why this bill was even proposed in CA in the first place. Gray Davis!!!! he wnated the mexican vote- thats it, twice before he veto'd this bill!!!! no one here wants it.. and as far as i konw, our Govinator is going to veto the illegal immigrant licence bill!!!
so go ahead and call me racist, i dont care because i'm not a racist, neither skywalker or muddy and his family... we are just Americans who play by the rules, and we expect the same from anyone who wants to come here, so please stop with the racist remarks.
Posted by: Kevin at November 20, 2003 04:22 PM( mrs. muddy gives skywalker and Kevin high fives.)
Thank you boys for putting things much better than I sometimes can:-) As for me, I believe I'm going to refrain from commenting on this article any further. We ALL have our opinions and understandably feel VERY passionate about them...BUT the world is made up of ALL kinds of different people ( and, by the way, before SOMEONE tries to bring up the "race" issue, I'm referring as to how we all think and the different lives we've all led....I was NOT talking about race.) and sometimes no matter what you say, people will take it how they want to. So with that, you can all continue on in this debate....without me :-) Have fun:-)
first of all i think mexicans should get some type of compensation for stealing mexican property & 2 all you people u r the wetbagz cuz u came on a boat crossing the ocean n that makes u the imigrants. coming here makes us migrantz and dont worry itz going 2 become new mexico. its just a matter of time.
we r just getting back what is ours.
Do you know the term "war booty?" Or "spoils of war?"
We got California from Mexico because Mexico picked a fight it couldn't win. There is no stealing involved.
Second, the term is wetback but wetbag.
Immigrant, since you're obviously, uh, well, pretty stupid, is someone who comes into our country from another one. Someone who goes to another country from ours is an emmigrant. Someone who moves from one part of our country to another is a migrant.
Also, your ancestors, came across the ocean on a big boat also.
Oh, one last thing, it's not "yours." Heck as for compensation, all the foreign aid Mexico recieves from us is more than enough compensation for your losing a war. A war which, mind you was started by Texans who didn't like the way you treated them, so they recruited Americans to help them gain independence. Which we did. If you don't like this fact, I don't care pressonally cause you sound like an idiot.
Posted by: skywalker at December 17, 2003 08:08 PMremember when I was saying the US would become a spanish speaking country long before French people turn into muslims ...
There you have.
LOL. Yea take over the world while you work landscaping.
Where I used to work they would pile like hundreds into a truck when they would used to do the landscaping. It was like a freakin circus act.
Here is a free tip. If you are going to try to get back 'what is yours' start by taking a basic english class.
Posted by: cwilli at December 19, 2003 11:37 PMDF: her comment is pretty stupid. I just came from one of the places in the US where the most Mexican's live, and trust me, they were doing anything but taking over. The US has no official language. Never has. Never will.
Posted by: skywalker at December 20, 2003 05:02 PMmuddy take your ur little story there now imagine that you lived in another country and there was no job or no money to support your family.And to get a visa it takes 1-2 years minimum. what would you do huh
Posted by: genius at March 21, 2004 01:36 AMgenius: Myself, I'd not start a family if I was incapable of supporting it. Either or it is irrelevant. It is not our job or resposibility to makes sure the citizens of other countries can support their families. Nor is our job to make sure that illegal aliens are given special privileges.
Posted by: skywalker at March 21, 2004 07:46 AMhey Genius, I think I'd wait for the visa instead of breaking the LAWS of the country I'm trying to get into. Kinda like breaking into a bakery then coming back in the morning asking if it's ok to have the bread you stole. Makes no sense eh?
Posted by: muddy at March 21, 2004 12:17 PMWell...I DO NOT MIND people illegaly working, because in their countries, they can not live well, what would YOU do?You'd look for a better life somewhere else, to feed your children!People here do not think about those kind of things.
PLUS, people from other countries do all the tough work, like cleaning, and painting houses, and etc...You guys are complaining that they take your jobs away, but if it weren't for illegal imigrants, no american would do those kind of work.
STOP THINKING ABOUT YOURSELF!THINK ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE TOO!HAVE A HEART!
Mellory
I don't think they're taking our jobs per se. I jsut don't think it's our responsibility to ensure they have a job.
Posted by: skywalker at April 7, 2004 12:14 AMListen, you need to know that not everyone came here illegally on purpose, i was brought to the United States when i was three. My family is already approved to recieve residency in the US its just a matter of time, but i think that if you work hard, go to college, stay out of trouble and so forth, its ok to recieve a licence. There are so many legal people who just live of welfare and lie to the government to get certan things but they are still geting to drive, you really need to open your eyes you idiots and realize that with or without licences, people will still drive, and you need to stop stereotyping mexicans some do have insurance, and guess what, we are taking back what is righfully our again deal with it.
Posted by: Miguel at October 20, 2004 11:22 AM"My family is already approved to recieve residency in the US its just a matter of time, "
Cool....BUT they ARE *obeying* the laws! And they (I will assume) are going about residency *legally*...which was the whole point - one that so *many* people seem to miss.
"There are so many legal people who just live of welfare and lie to the government to get certan things but they are still geting to drive,"
That is a great point, Miguel....but that's not apart of the subject at hand.
"...with or without licences, people will still drive,"
Yes, they will.
"...and you need to stop stereotyping mexicans some do have insurance,"
I don't think we were. *I* even mentioned above somewhere that *both* my husband and myself drove wihtout insurance for a time. We simply could not afford it at that specific time. However, we still had to eat and keep a roof over our heads BUT we *were* driving *illegally*....and I'm NOT mexican...just an original "heinz 57".
"we are taking back what is righfully our again deal with it."
??????
Are you talking about licences or the country? If you're talking about the country then - baahahahaaa! This country, my dear Miguel, originally belonged to people who make up a small part of *my* ancestory backgroud....the Indians/Native Americans. So if ANYONE has a right to "take it back", it's them! So *You* "deal" with That!
Illegal people should be allow to drive with the same responsabilities and rights than everybody else! Hi my name is Ana, I'm from IL. I'm a freshman in College, and in Friday i'm giving a speech abouth this topic. I totally agree that Illegal people should have the right to get Drivers Licence. My family came to US as illegal immigrants and is hard for me to see how afraid they ae when they drive to work, or somewhere else. Thanks for fighting for our rights.
Posted by: ANA MOLINA at October 29, 2004 10:26 AMThey should be allowed to be deported to their country of origin and attempt to come here legally. I have no problem with people cokming here legally, but if you come here illegally then DEAL with the fact that you have ZERO rights while here illegally. As an illegal alien you have no rights as far as the constitution is concerned. Learn to deal with that fact.
Posted by: skywalker at October 30, 2004 01:23 AMHey Ana, Care to post you families approx location so I have them deported?
If they are so afraid, perhaps they should try to do it the right way. Why do they choose not to?
Your family is spitting in the face of every immigrant who did the right thing and became legal. Your family is a discrace.
Posted by: cwillli at October 31, 2004 09:18 AMFirst of all, My father is from argentina and my mother from chile. They totally agree with proposition 200 as well as the non- passed 187 in california. Being of hispanic origin, I would like to ask that you first stop referring to mexicans as hispanic-most of them are not of european descent. My father went about the proper channels to bring his family here. He also says that that all immigrants who come here should learn english. My father was a merchant marine and a very self educated man. He has been all over the world and realized this was the best country for his family. He walked off the boat, brought my mother here and shortly after had me, but my father had enough respect for the country to conform with the culture. He used to tell other latinos he knew " The whole point of coming to a new country is to integrate not seperate, which is what a lot of mexican and other illegal immigrants do. Our system has made them lazy. This is coming from a latin american so you cant say I am racist. My dad says that immigrants are full of it when they claim to be too old to learn a language. Regarding their childrens education, he has a good idea. If their children are to be enrolled in our school system, then they should have to take english speaking classes with their parents at their families expense not at the expense of the united states. We still speak our native "castillian" at home, but never around people who donnot speak it-that is rude-and I cant stand to see other hispanics do that. Based on what I have seen in the american school system and talking to other latin kids, they are the racist ones. One thing I have seen my dad actually tell mexican, salvadorian, and honduran people off about, is when they use their kids to interpret for them. I understand all your views. The spanish speaking people who come here and exploit this great country make all hispanic people look bad. We are not all like that. As a matter of fact, Chile (where my mom is from) has a great education system and is one of the only countries who owes no money to anyone. If mexico thinks they have it so bad, try going through what my mom went through when Chile was under the threat of communism. By the way, as far as illegals coming here to feed their families-USE CONTRACEPTION- if you cannot afford children. Stop making children here-so that hard working latino families like mine who have assimilated with the culture and respect this country-dont have to support them. I am proud to be a real american.
Posted by: stephanie alfaro at November 6, 2004 07:37 PMFirst of all, My father is from argentina and my mother from chile. They totally agree with proposition 200 as well as the non- passed 187 in california. Being of hispanic origin, I would like to ask that you first stop referring to mexicans as hispanic-most of them are not of european descent. My father went about the proper channels to bring his family here. He also says that that all immigrants who come here should learn english. My father was a merchant marine and a very self educated man. He has been all over the world and realized this was the best country for his family. He walked off the boat, brought my mother here and shortly after had me, but my father had enough respect for the country to conform with the culture. He used to tell other latinos he knew " The whole point of coming to a new country is to integrate not seperate, which is what a lot of mexican and other illegal immigrants do. Our system has made them lazy. This is coming from a latin american so you cant say I am racist. My dad says that immigrants are full of it when they claim to be too old to learn a language. Regarding their childrens education, he has a good idea. If their children are to be enrolled in our school system, then they should have to take english speaking classes with their parents at their families expense not at the expense of the united states. We still speak our native "castillian" at home, but never around people who donnot speak it-that is rude-and I cant stand to see other hispanics do that. Based on what I have seen in the american school system and talking to other latin kids, they are the racist ones. One thing I have seen my dad actually tell mexican, salvadorian, and honduran people off about, is when they use their kids to interpret for them. I understand all your views. The spanish speaking people who come here and exploit this great country make all hispanic people look bad. We are not all like that. As a matter of fact, Chile (where my mom is from) has a great education system and is one of the only countries who owes no money to anyone. If mexico thinks they have it so bad, try going through what my mom went through when Chile was under the threat of communism. By the way, as far as illegals coming here to feed their families-USE CONTRACEPTION- if you cannot afford children. Stop making children here-so that hard working latino families like mine who have assimilated with the culture and respect this country-dont have to support them. I am proud to be a real american.
Posted by: stephanie alfaro at November 6, 2004 07:38 PMFirst of all, My father is from argentina and my mother from chile. They totally agree with proposition 200 as well as the non- passed 187 in california. Being of hispanic origin, I would like to ask that you first stop referring to mexicans as hispanic-most of them are not of european descent. My father went about the proper channels to bring his family here. He also says that that all immigrants who come here should learn english. My father was a merchant marine and a very self educated man. He has been all over the world and realized this was the best country for his family. He walked off the boat, brought my mother here and shortly after had me, but my father had enough respect for the country to conform with the culture. He used to tell other latinos he knew " The whole point of coming to a new country is to integrate not seperate, which is what a lot of mexican and other illegal immigrants do. Our system has made them lazy. This is coming from a latin american so you cant say I am racist. My dad says that immigrants are full of it when they claim to be too old to learn a language. Regarding their childrens education, he has a good idea. If their children are to be enrolled in our school system, then they should have to take english speaking classes with their parents at their families expense not at the expense of the united states. We still speak our native "castillian" at home, but never around people who donnot speak it-that is rude-and I cant stand to see other hispanics do that. Based on what I have seen in the american school system and talking to other latin kids, they are the racist ones. One thing I have seen my dad actually tell mexican, salvadorian, and honduran people off about, is when they use their kids to interpret for them. I understand all your views. The spanish speaking people who come here and exploit this great country make all hispanic people look bad. We are not all like that. As a matter of fact, Chile (where my mom is from) has a great education system and is one of the only countries who owes no money to anyone. If mexico thinks they have it so bad, try going through what my mom went through when Chile was under the threat of communism. By the way, as far as illegals coming here to feed their families-USE CONTRACEPTION- if you cannot afford children. Stop making children here-so that hard working latino families like mine who have assimilated with the culture and respect this country-dont have to support them. I am proud to be a real american.
Posted by: stephanie alfaro at November 6, 2004 07:38 PMStephanie:
Your father sounds like a very wise man.:-)
"If their children are to be enrolled in our school system, then they should have to take english speaking classes with their parents at their families expense not at the expense of the united states."
Also a good idea...however, I, personally don't really mind helping someone with my tax dollars through an english speaking class (especially if money is tight for them). As long as they are willing to do the work, that is.:-)
Posted by: mrs. muddy at November 6, 2004 11:25 PMFor all of you who think that it is wrong for undocummented people to have drivers licences, they will drive anyways, so it gives them one more illegal burden to carry. Might as well give it to them since they have to drive in order to get to their jobs, which they looked and suffered prodigiously to get. Maybe if you got into our shoes then you wouldn't say anything, because you dont know the struggles my people go through just to get a better balanced life. We mean no trouble, just a better life. We are people to who deserve to thrive in a great country such as America. Screw Republicans, and long live Democracy.
Posted by: Francisco at January 2, 2005 05:48 PMYea, long live screwing the very people who are helping you!!! Let them pay taxes while you live in their communities, take their government handouts and dont give a thing back. Let them pay higher health premiums evertime you go to the hospital and dont pay the bill, after all thats democracy!
Screw doing it the right way. Like everyone else did that started this country.
Posted by: cwilli at January 2, 2005 06:53 PM"Maybe if you got into our shoes then you wouldn't say anything, because you dont know the struggles my people go through just to get a better balanced life."
Francisco, maybe if we ALL put ourselves in the other persons shoes (like you putting yourself in *our* shoes), perhapes we'd *all* be able to understand a little better. Personally, I *have* tried to put myself in your shoes. Thinking about what it may be like to live in a country where my freedoms are limited (or non existing). Thinking about what it would be like to see my family abused and/or tortured and not being able to do a thing about it.
The thing is, it's not that we can't *imagine* what things must be like in other parts of the world. And it's not that our hearts don't go out to those people who want a better life - especially if they have faced persecution in their country. It's just we *do* have to take care of our countries interrests *first*. That would include putting laws into place that would help us to weed out the good and decent people who want a better life from the bad who want to do us harm. That's not saying that the good don't get caught in the "cross fire" - so to speak - but like I said earlier above ...this "system" is the best we have and it's *all* we have to work with right now so...
"Screw Republicans, and long live Democracy."
BTW....With all due respect, since you do want to live in this country, the first thing you need to realize is that this country is NOT a democracy but a Republic. Hey, even *I* was fooled for a while until I read up on it.
Posted by: mrs. muddy at January 2, 2005 07:38 PMIts very sad to see how a numerous amount of people who call them self’s educated even consider to write and express their views with such vulgarity. I guess the threat of the so-called immigrants are greater because they for a change take their education seriously and tend not to express them self’s so vulgar. They come to the land of dreams to succeed and if its some think I have learned is that if you wanted you will have it. I mean I can read your non-educated arguments all day but you know I will reader give you facts.
1. We are all Immigrant in some way
2. The real reason why we feel so threaten is that they always have jobs. Why well because they are hard working people who will do what it takes to accomplish their goals. They risk every thing for a better life and sincerely its only fair for them to succeed.
3. I will like to address the point that people make there is no problem for them to come if they come the proper way. Well tell me what is the proper way the one you think its more convenient or easy. It was so easy to come in the proper way then we would have this problem in the first place. I mean why can so called Americans go in and out of Mexico so easy I mean I personally belief that Mexico should consider out law US Citizens to cross to Mexico as well.
4. We for a change should thank immigrants for their hard work and labor in this county. The only reason the United States is Economically well of is basically because they work long and hard all day. Its their daily routine get up at 4 in the morning got to work all day get home at 6 in the afternoon. I mean if only the pay was good well no its not they work for minimal wages. I mean if you are going to get mad at some one you should get mad with the person who hires them. Who knows maybe they will start appreciating immigrants more when we the US citizens demonstrate that we wouldn’t be able to take the punishment of working all day. This might ultimately lead to equal wages for immigrants.
5. I mean we have all broken the rules some big rules others little rules but we all do. I mean and if you don’t believe me lets take a trip to county jails and let me know what we see. I mean crime in the United Stated is so bad that we see more Jails and Juvenile correctional then Schools being built. I mean going back, yeah they are breaking the law by entering the country but they are succeeding and threatening us by well being better than us.
6. Ok, I’m going to break it down so you can understand were I’m trying to get.
More Immigrants = More Jobs = More Money = A richer nation, A better Economy, More money we can spend.
If you want to argue about the way the money is being used lets talk about our troop down in Iraq I mean didn’t they try to kills us and what did we do in return I mean yeah we kind of stroke back. I mean it was only fair but why are we re-building their country with our taxes. I mean they aren’t event helping in our whole economical plan I mentioned above they are just getting our earning and making us a week nation.
If you are proud of being a US Citizens don’t write so vulgar and un- educated you are making us look bad. I mean I guess that’s why we cant get the jobs we aren’t educated enough and I guess maybe immigrants are. So all that’s left to say is educate your self and get a job and if you don’t know all the facts just mind your own business.
Ahh, I almost for got the US is a wealthy country but pretty soon you might want to migrate to Europe because their Euro is getting stronger every day and we will another Mexico to them.
Wake up and realize that immigrants are not our threat they aren’t weakening our Economy. They are in fact making it stronger.
Hope you learned something…
Its very sad to see how a numerous amount of people who call them self’s educated even consider to write and express their views with such vulgarity. I guess the threat of the so-called immigrants are greater because they for a change take their education seriously and tend not to express them self’s so vulgar. They come to the land of dreams to succeed and if its some think I have learned is that if you wanted you will have it. I mean I can read your non-educated arguments all day but you know I will reader give you facts.
1. We are all Immigrant in some way
2. The real reason why we feel so threaten is that they always have jobs. Why well because they are hard working people who will do what it takes to accomplish their goals. They risk every thing for a better life and sincerely its only fair for them to succeed.
3. I will like to address the point that people make there is no problem for them to come if they come the proper way. Well tell me what is the proper way the one you think its more convenient or easy. It was so easy to come in the proper way then we would have this problem in the first place. I mean why can so called Americans go in and out of Mexico so easy I mean I personally belief that Mexico should consider out law US Citizens to cross to Mexico as well.
4. We for a change should thank immigrants for their hard work and labor in this county. The only reason the United States is Economically well of is basically because they work long and hard all day. Its their daily routine get up at 4 in the morning got to work all day get home at 6 in the afternoon. I mean if only the pay was good well no its not they work for minimal wages. I mean if you are going to get mad at some one you should get mad with the person who hires them. Who knows maybe they will start appreciating immigrants more when we the US citizens demonstrate that we wouldn’t be able to take the punishment of working all day. This might ultimately lead to equal wages for immigrants.
5. I mean we have all broken the rules some big rules others little rules but we all do. I mean and if you don’t believe me lets take a trip to county jails and let me know what we see. I mean crime in the United Stated is so bad that we see more Jails and Juvenile correctional then Schools being built. I mean going back, yeah they are breaking the law by entering the country but they are succeeding and threatening us by well being better than us.
6. Ok, I’m going to break it down so you can understand were I’m trying to get.
More Immigrants = More Jobs = More Money = A richer nation, A better Economy, More money we can spend.
If you want to argue about the way the money is being used lets talk about our troop down in Iraq I mean didn’t they try to kills us and what did we do in return I mean yeah we kind of stroke back. I mean it was only fair but why are we re-building their country with our taxes. I mean they aren’t event helping in our whole economical plan I mentioned above they are just getting our earning and making us a week nation.
If you are proud of being a US Citizens don’t write so vulgar and un- educated you are making us look bad. I mean I guess that’s why we cant get the jobs we aren’t educated enough and I guess maybe immigrants are. So all that’s left to say is educate your self and get a job and if you don’t know all the facts just mind your own business.
Ahh, I almost for got the US is a wealthy country but pretty soon you might want to migrate to Europe because their Euro is getting stronger every day and we will another Mexico to them.
Wake up and realize that immigrants are not our threat they aren’t weakening our Economy. They are in fact making it stronger.
Hope you learned something…
Angy,
"Its very sad to see how a numerous amount of people who call them self’s educated even consider to write and express their views with such vulgarity."
It's very sad (not to mention rediculous) to see that you got any vulgarity out of anything that we've said.
"1. We are all Immigrant in some way"
No one has *ever* disputed that.
"2. The real reason why we feel so threaten is that they always have jobs. Why well because they are hard working people who will do what it takes to accomplish their goals. They risk every thing for a better life and sincerely its only fair for them to succeed."
I don't feel threaten that *anyone* has a job. If you are able to work...you need to. It's no doubt some risk everything for a better life and because of that, I *Do* hope they can succeed...they very well deserve it.
"3. I will like to address the point that people make there is no problem for them to come if they come the proper way. Well tell me what is the proper way the one you think its more convenient or easy. It was so easy to come in the proper way then we would have this problem in the first place."
I understand what you're saying. Really I do! However, the propper channels mean to apply and recieve a visa and go from there. Like I said before, everyone comes from a different situations and not all of them can be addressed easily (if at all). It all just goes back to doing the best we can with the only system we have.
"I mean why can so called Americans go in and out of Mexico so easy I mean I personally belief that Mexico should consider out law US Citizens to cross to Mexico as well."
The difference there is that American's are going to Mexico to *visit* and then to come back to America....some Mexican's (as well as people from other cultures) are wanting to come here to *live* permanently. If Americans go to Mexico to live then *they* need to go through *Mexico's* immigration system.
"4. We for a change should thank immigrants for their hard work and labor in this county...."
No arguement there.
".. The only reason the United States is Economically well of is basically because they work long and hard all day."
Well, it's not the *only* reason but it is one of many.
"5. I mean we have all broken the rules some big rules others little rules but we all do. I mean and if you don’t believe me lets take a trip to county jails and let me know what we see...."
Exactly! When you break the rules, you recieve punishment. So that's why it's best that when a person comes to this country they need to go through things legally (as best as they can) so they can stay here and have the life they work so hard to have.
"I mean I guess that’s why we cant get the jobs we aren’t educated enough and I guess maybe immigrants are."
Actually, I could be wrong but I believe most immigrants who come here get jobs that some American's don't want such as working in orchards, delivery work, and so on. Also, most immigrants are NOT educated and they come here to recieve one.
"So all that’s left to say is educate your self and get a job and if you don’t know all the facts just mind your own business."
1st off, we *have* an education. We also have jobs. I, myself, have a job that alot of people don't want at all. Alot can't even *handle* my job AND I don't even get paid for it! It's one of the most difficult and stressful jobs in the world. I'm a full time mom.
2ndly, no one claimed to know *all* the facts.
3rdly, this country IS our business so I'm minding where I need to be, thank you.
Now...I hope *you* learned something.
Posted by: mrs.muddy at January 4, 2005 02:45 PM"I, myself, have a job that alot of people don't want at all. Alot can't even *handle* my job AND I don't even get paid for it! It's one of the most difficult and stressful jobs in the world. I'm a full time mom."
cwilli applauds Mrs Muddy.
You handled this moron WAY better that I would have. Nice job.
I would have said,
"since Immigrants are such hard working, good people hearted people than they would want to do things the right way wouldnt you think? Here is a news flash;
They dont pay taxes.
They raise the cost of my health care.
They DO get into trouble and tie up the policeman from keeping my family safe. I PAY TAXES FOR THAT! THEY DO NOT!
If they were legal, I would not have a problem with them. They would be paying taxes. But they are not the are ILLEGAL.
They should all be put in a hugh truck and shipped back to Mexico. Hell you can get 50 Mexicans in a small truck. I have seen it."
again, Mrs Muddy. Good job on your restraint. I am your grasshopper.
Posted by: cwilli at January 5, 2005 08:12 AMWell Mrs. Muddy
You are mother by choice and believe me that is out of the question. I really have no interest in your personal issues. I mean you are making it look as if being mother is a burden and if it is well then handle it your self. I mean but you do make a good point being a mother is very stress full now include that to a 8 to 10 daily hour shift just to get enough to survive. I mean you are correct it is stress full and if you cant handle your kids I personally belief you would be able to handle working and taking care of your kids.
The immigrants are paying taxes the difference is that they don’t get tax returns.
I am very impressed that all that education you for call to have and you forgot to target any of my economical examples that I gave. I guess you agree with those points.
All that I have heard is vulgarity and if you don’t know the definition honey look it up.
Well actually no now a days a lot of Americans are going to start businesses and succeed as well. Which is great because it will ultimately create more jobs for Mexicans and ultimately bring their economy up.
Have you ever though that for some being here is a punishment it self. I mean they changed their whole life just to survive. They leave behind Mother, Father, Family,
just to survive.
I mean In your example I can see that you love your children and there for you are with them. Now imagine that for tricks of life you couldn’t feed them and the only solution was to well illegally cross a border just to feed them. I mean I personally think you wouldn’t care to break the law. The reason for this would be because your kids need you.
I guess but we also have immigrants with major companies hiring Citizens. I mean its rare but I see it every day. But you said it your self they get all the bad jobs that we for sure don’t want so what is the problem let them have then. I have no intention of getting my hands dirty. I’m sure nether are you I ‘m impressed if you even change Dampers. Have you considered hiring some one.
BY the way cwilli I will wait for your respond as well. There is no need for the vulgar language you used to refer to me. But if it takes one to know one let it be don’t you think my bad I almost forgot you don’t.
Haha restraint what are you Animals…...
"There is no need for the vulgar language you used to refer to me. But if it takes one to know one let it be don’t you think my bad I almost forgot you don’t."
What? I see those english lessons are paying off. You should also work on your grammer.
Go back to Mexico
Posted by: cwilli at January 5, 2005 12:36 PMI really can’t go back to Mexico for the simple reason that I'm not Mexican. I in fact had to write it in a way that you could understand. I impressed you caught the grammar error. I guess you are some what educated just not mannered. I Guess you got lose, I’m wondering No more restrains?
Ha ha
"You are mother by choice and believe me that is out of the question. I really have no interest in your personal issues."
With all due respect...I didn't ask if you had no interrest in my personal issues (don't care whether you do or not). I actually brought it to expound on a point. Truthfully, I misunderstood some of your english and I think I misread something. I was trying to get across that where as an immigrant gets somekind of pay for his work...*I* don't. Know, I'm not complaining at all - it's just a simple fact.
"I mean you are making it look as if being mother is a burden and if it is well then handle it your self."
Boy, you *do* read into things don't you.:-D I don't know how you got *that* out of what I said but whatever...to each his own.
"I am very impressed that all that education you for call to have and you forgot to target any of my economical examples that I gave."
Which specific ones? Like I said, somethings you said where not very clear.
"Have you ever though that for some being here is a punishment it self. I mean they changed their whole life just to survive. They leave behind Mother, Father, Family,
just to survive. "
Actually, Yes! I have thought of that. I hear stories from time to time on the news about how situations like that happen. I does not surprise me BUT, yes, it does sadden me. I could not imagine having to do just that. It would indeed break my heart.
"I mean I personally think you wouldn’t care to break the law. The reason for this would be because your kids need you."
Well, yes...you're right. I would do *anything* for my children. And I truely *don't* judge anyone who would do the same. HOWEVER, countries still have LAWS! It is impossible to makes laws to accomidate every single persons life. So lawmakers do the best they can and make laws that are the best (at the time) for the people already living here as well as making laws to make room for people who are trying to come here. Every story IS different (and personally, I'm getting tired of saying that). After 9-11, though, we can NOT be too careful. Is it sad and heartbreaking that good, honest families get caught up in bad situations? Of course it is! BUT we STILL have to go according to our laws! If the laws seem unfair or unconstitutional then we can try to make the proper steps of changing them. All we can do is the best we can with the laws we have (I'm getting tired of repeating *that* one too).
"I have no intention of getting my hands dirty. I’m sure nether are you I ‘m impressed if you even change Dampers. Have you considered hiring some one."
You know...I have been trying to be polite to you. Believe it or not, I have even been trying to treat you with respect. However, you have now convinced me that you are nothing more than just a plan BITCH! How do you like the vulgarity of *that* one?! I did not have my children to hire someone to take care of them for me. If that's the decision that someone else has to make for their children then FINE. More power to them. Whether I could afford it or not (which I can't) IT'S NOT something I WOULD DO!!!! Besides, I don't mind getting my hand dirty at all. Put me in an orchard...it would be nice to work outdoors. Besides, since you said *you* don't want it...then I guess the jobs open for me.
Bottom line folks, if you are in this country illegally, then you have no rights and should quit your bitching.
Posted by: skywalker at January 5, 2005 03:35 PMOh btw, cwilli:
"Mrs Muddy. Good job on your restraint. I am your grasshopper."
LOL!! Why thank you. Of course, you may want to reconsider since I didn't restrain myself on that last comment I made.:-P
Posted by: mrs. muddy at January 5, 2005 03:58 PMMrs Muddy, well one can only take so much....
Angry,
If your not from Mexico than you should go live there anyways. That is since everyone in Mexico are such hard working, honest, good hearted people. That being true, you would think that it would be a paradise. I wonder then why they want to come here to that land where nobody works, everybody is lazy and hates anyone who does hold a job?
HMMM, maybe because your wrong? I mean honestly, why isnt Mexico a paradise? Cant be the governement, the government is run by the same hard working, good hearted people. If everyone in Mexico was so hard working, than wouldnt we be trying to get into Mexico?
Did I lay the sarcasm on thick enough for you to get it? Probably not.
I am not saying that everyone who comes here is lazy, nobody said that. I am saying that they are too lazy to do it right and I am tired of paying higher taxes and higher health premiums because of it.
Posted by: cwilli at January 6, 2005 08:12 AMMrs. Muddy I have to admit I was wrong about you not wanting to get your hand dirty. I guess you stand on their same label and that has to hurt your pride. There for you try to make your self fell better by saying I am an American Citizen. I personally don’t give a care weather a person has papers or not what matters is their personality and character. I mean discriminating a person because of not having what you call a social security is plain Stupid. I tell you what right know we are talking about immigrants later on we will be talking about the people who have visas. It’s a never-ending cycle that unfortunately never ends. I mean we can go through history first it was the Native Americans, followed by the Orientals then the African Americans and know the Immigrants. I guess it’s so common that it has ultimately become part of our cultural beliefs. I mean you never know maybe the cure for cancer or aids is in one of these persons and we are to blind to see it. The reason why they come here is to get a better education. I guess its or fault for having the best educational system. The Bottom line is that you can’t judge a group of persons for one person’s mistake. I mean you didn’t like what I though of you based on the information you provided. I mean I don’t know you and I to a point judged you. I twisted your word and made you look as a horrible mother. I apologize I just wanted you to feel how it feels to be misjudged with out even given a chance to speak up. I just have to disagree with one point that you made….
I, myself, have a job that a lot of people don't want at all. A lot can't even *handle* my job AND I don't even get paid for it! It's one of the most difficult and stressful jobs in the world. I'm a full time mom."
You might think that you are not getting paid but believe me no one can pay you more then receiving the love of your kids. I mean their thank full smiles and worm hugs. There is no amount of money high enough that will ever pay for those wonderful memories. You are lucky and you might see it a hard working and tiresome job and it is but it worth all the hardship because its repaid with love. Love is priceless, in other words you have one of the highest paid jobs out there congratulations
"The Bottom line is that you can’t judge a group of persons for one person’s mistake."
"I twisted your word and made you look as a horrible mother. I apologize I just wanted you to feel how it feels to be misjudged with out even given a chance to speak up."
Angy....I *know* what you were doing. I'm NOT an idiot. Apparently, though, you are. Reason being? Well, If you would have bothered to *truely* READ the comments I've made on this subject, you would *easily* have seen that I have NEVER judged ANY group of people as a whole for the behaviors of a few. That's why the comments you made to me were (and are) completely uncalled for. That's also why I fired back at you the way I did. You deserved it.
In your defense, however, it has been hard to understand your english so perhapes *you* have a hard time understanding *our* english as well. If *that* is the case, then you are not an idiot but you should definately refrain from entertaining yourself in discusions - as well as belittling someone - if you don't fully understand their english. I don't know if you talk the same way you write but if you do then I would definately heed my advise...it will save you from getting your butt kick. And, NO....that was NOT a threat. Just a word of caution you may want to take for future use.
"You might think that you are not getting paid but believe me no one can pay you more then receiving the love of your kids..."
Gee Sherlock, thanks for the words of wisdom there. I'm only a hundered steps ahead of you. I know what I'm getting from my kids and it IS priceless. I said before that I misunderstood what you had said earlier and I brought that point up under that same misunderstanding so basically, the point is irrelevant.
Posted by: mrs. muddy at January 6, 2005 01:44 PMImmigration,
all i want to say is, poeple come here to live their lives, basically the proper way to get citezenship here is that you have money, the only way that man can get what thou wants is by using money buying them, where i came from, it's really poor, one dollar can buy 5 meals, dont get me wrong thou, but i think i understand the men you guy's so called illegal's you guys are lucky it's not you, thats from a country that kills because of religion, or a country that has no jobs or a country that wants freedom but can stand on it's own has education but economy is low. you Guy's are Lucky
Immigration,
all i want to say is, poeple come here to live their lives, basically the proper way to get citezenship here is that you have money, the only way that man can get what thou wants is by using money buying them, where i came from, it's really poor, one dollar can buy 5 meals, dont get me wrong thou, but i think i understand the men you guy's so called illegal's you guys are lucky it's not you, thats from a country that kills because of religion, or a country that has no jobs or a country that wants freedom but can't stand on it's own has education but economy is low. you Guy's are Lucky
Immigration,
all i want to say is, poeple come here to live their lives, basically the proper way to get citezenship here is that you have money, the only way that man can get what thou wants is by using money buying them, where i came from, it's really poor, one dollar can buy 5 meals, dont get me wrong thou, but i think i understand the men you guy's so called illegal's you guys are lucky it's not you, thats from a country that kills because of religion, or a country that has no jobs or a country that wants freedom but can't stand on it's own has education but economy is low. you Guy's are Lucky
Immigration,
all i want to say is, poeple come here to live their lives, basically the proper way to get citezenship here is that you have money, the only way that man can get what thou wants is by using money buying them, where i came from, it's really poor, one dollar can buy 5 meals, dont get me wrong thou, but i think i understand the men you guy's so called illegal's you guys are lucky it's not you, thats from a country that kills because of religion, or a country that has no jobs or a country that wants freedom but can't stand on it's own has education but economy is low. you Guy's are Lucky