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Posted by Muddy at November 15, 2003 06:43 PM | TrackBackJust HAD to put in my $0.02
“For many years, the Marine Corps has been engaged in some of the most fiercest fighting the world has ever seen,” Flock said. “But Marines don’t ask for war, instead we seek peace for all nations. And that is why for 228 years the Marine Corps has stood ready to answer the call to arms."
--- You would think that after 228 years and still no peace they would realize that they are wrong to think violence will result in anything except more violence... ASK JESUS!
There will never be a true peace. There will always be wars. So we can pray for peace, but be ready to fight so that tyranny does not reign in our world.
Everywhere that Marines fight, the fighting stops very quickly (except for Vietnam but we blame the Army for that one) because we are the worlds most feared fighting force. The mear mention of the Marines coming will stop many armies in some parts of the world. In Korea, units were known to abandon their officers and become deserters after they found out they were/would be fighting Marines.
So tell me violence doesn't bring about peace.
Violent, warlords and dictators around the world understand one thing only: greater violence.
War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. - John Stuart Mill
Posted by: skywalker at November 18, 2003 06:36 PMYes lets ask Jesus, who is , if you believe the way I do, is The Lord!! God supported many wars in the "bible" times, and he still supports the war of good vs. evil and always will until the end!!! So you go ahead and ask Jesus, and he will tell your heart that we are fighting the good fight, good vs. evil... helping people to become unoppressed. Remember teh litte problem in Africa that stoped the second Marines showed UP?(more support to skywalkers point) we fight the good fight!
and skywalker, as for VietNam- you can put most of the blaim on our own country trying to run a war from the whitehouse insted of the pentigon.. (
Oh that is right, i must of forgot about the part of the new testament where Jesus - instead of turning the other cheek - put on his battle gear and razed the villages of the "evil" people and their children.
Next you are going to tell me Jesus wouldn't have a problem with the death penalty either (in 2000 years will people wear golden electric chairs arround their neck?).
There is no such thing as a good fight, and no such thing as good vs. evil - only a bunch of scared and ignorant people who can easily be convinced that the solution to their problems is to kill people half way arround the earth.
Moral justification for war? I dont think there ever was one. Wars are fought to broker power between elites who never put their own ass on the line and treat the whole planet like it is a game of risk or a chesssboard.. If branches of the pentagon were chess pieces, you better believe that marines are the pawns.
Posted by: bennyhill1978 at November 20, 2003 05:57 PMYou completely misunderstand "turning the other cheek." He was saying not to seek revenge or strike out in anger.
Yes, I'd say jesus WOULD support the death penalty. Hmm, "Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth sound familiar? yes that is old testament. Okay, how about "He who lives by the sword shall die by the sword." Heck, salvation itself only exists because Jesus was punished with the death penalty.
The Bible is strewn about with past wars and predictions of future wars including one's in which Jesus will participate!
You analogy about scared ignorant people is the same as saying money can't solve problems or buy friends: it's a load of crap! Money can buy friends, probably not good ones, if you throw money at 10 problems chance are that at least 9 will go away and as Israel proves in the Bible, if you kill enough of your enemies, trust me, they'll leave you alone. Ask the Romans, it wasn't until they decided to let their civilization go to crap that they finally lost. And they started most of their wars!
Golden electric chairs around their neck? not your sound like a crack pot!
Broker power between elites? Conspiracy theorist bologna. Look, if you live anywhere in the U.S., your freedom exists because of a war. Or for that matter, many other countries in the world. The freedom of most of Europe exists because men had the minerals to say I'll die for my country. All you've proven to me, is that you don't deserve whatever freedom you have and that you're cynical.
Kevin: as far as Vietnam, alot of the Marines' problems were due to the draft and that the volunteers they DID have, joined to keep out of the army. Halarious huh? After Vietnam, our enlisted rank structure was so jacked up that it wasn't really straightened out until the mid-90's!
Posted by: skywalker at November 20, 2003 08:14 PMI did not get any freedom from war, or politicians, or the bill of rights for that matter. My soul is free by virtue of being alive. Freedom was given to my by my creator and not your gun or you self-righteous view that you are the one who decides who "deserves" freedom.
Violence, laws, and politicians never gave freedom to anyone (although they would love to take the credit), they only take away freedom from people through the institutions of war, prison and propaganda. Militia's of citizens, as intended by the 2nd amendement, did a pretty good job of preventing the erosion of freedoms here until the civil war created a federated military command structure and bureaucracy thats primary goal is not to protect the freedoms of Americans. Like all bureaucracy, the Pentagon's primary function is to protect itself and its interests of first western and now global supremacy.
In fact the people who are supposedly fighting for my freedom are on the other side of the planet while in the past 3 years the people in the USA have lost more rights and freedoms (and jobs) while the tax revenues entrusted to the government to take care of its' people are being dished out to the corporations that put this administration in power, without a bidding process im many cases. This is unprecedented in American history and is utterly Facist and Plutocratic.
Just because they tell you you are protecting freedom does not make it true. And by the way, killing is wrong, I know they have convinced you to be a proud killer, but it is murder and that is a mortal sin, do not fool yourself. It is not self defense to fly 20,000 miles and drop a bomb on someones house. Even if that person may have at one point in the future decided to commit murder themself.
Did I miss something? Israel still cant get their enemies to leave them alone and it has been 5000 years of killing their enemies. The Romans, as you point out, do provide a great example of what happens to even the greatest, most technologically/culturally advanced and richest nations when they make war their national priority.
The freedom soldiers are led to believe they are protecting by going to other countries and killing people using vastly superior firepower as "enemies" attempt to defend their homes is the freedom enjoyed the elite who have seen their wealth increase dramatically (over 17% in the last 2 years for CEOs) while literally 99.99% of americans have less. Less freedom, less money, less benefits for veterans, less hope for the future as yearly deficits and debt totals promise to enslave generations of Americans to come.
freedom.
Posted by: bennyhill1978 at November 20, 2003 09:29 PMwithout this country you couldnt type something liek that and not get shot- ever think bout that one ??
Posted by: kevin at November 21, 2003 06:36 PMI'm a Christian so I can safely say this: you're clueless. Without a war being fought you'd without a doubt, have never heard of Jesus Christ. Go to China, India, Iran, Saudi Arabia, or Lebanon. 99.9% chance that if you had grown up there, you'd have never heard of Jesus. Why? Because they have no freedom. Spiritual freedom and physical freedom are 2 very different things. Jesus freed your spirit, but the blood of patriots freed your body. Be THANKFUL that we are fighting on the otherside fo the world, and not in your backyard! Yes, we have less freedoms, but that's because of people just like you!
In fact, I bet you vote Democrat, Green, or Socialist because you think they will give you more freedoms when it is those people who are authoring and sponsoring bills like the DMCA, the SSSCA, the Patriot Act, gun control legislation. They are the ones wanting to increase your income taxes, they are the ones who waste money on welfare for people who usually don't want to work.
Truth is, welfare destroys jobs, just-so-you-know. Why? It creates a cycle of dependency which takes away the want to innovate from kids in the ghetto's (or even suburbia) who if not being taught from day one, "Hey! Don't worry, if you don't work, the government will cover you." This ultimately will stifle growth and gives people a reason not to seek education, not to better themselves, and burdens the taxpayers, creating huge deficits because the government will never be able to pay for the exponential growth of welfare recipients.
Should I get started on Social Security? Medicare?
But, back to the main issue: You simply would not exist without wars being fought. Your freedom to speak like that would not exist, not would your religion. So maybe you should use a little logic and a little less emotion when you think about wars.
I'm a United States Marine. I no more want to kill anyone than the next guy, but send me to war and I'll put as many of them as I can in a body bag.
As for Israel, you forget something...Israel has been fighting wars that long, because Israel is surrounded by a few billion people who hate them. The only way Israel will stop having to defend itself is if we nuke the rest of the middle east.
Oh, and superior military power w/ the ability to crush anyone who attempts to go to war with you, is how you avoid wars, cause if they know they have zero chance, then they won't mess with you unless they're crazy or stupid, in which case, oh well we'll hurt them and they'll barely scratch us.
Less benefits for veterans? That's a crock. If you believe that then well... I'll be nice and not tell you what you are. Oh, if you think I've been meant o you so far, trust me, I'm holding back. I could go on for hours and disprove every sad attempt at a point you make with me, but I've got better things to do with my time than argue with someone who isn't capable of logical thought, but merely emotional thought - something which makes me think you're a woman.
Posted by: skywalker at November 21, 2003 08:15 PMSkywalker, please address the following:
“There will never be a true peace.”
Do you think Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Jr., Buddha, or Jesus would agree with you? If not, why not? If so, how do you explain the discrepancy between your position and that of the teachings of those above?
“There will always be wars.”
Exactly how old are you? Did you know it used to be impossible to circumnavigate the flat earth? Did you know that the Earth really was the center of the universe? Of course that all shifted a little over history, but who needs to debate specifics?
“So we can pray for peace, but be ready to fight so that tyranny does not reign in our world.”
Are you praying for peace? Who do you pray to? Is god white? If god wore a robe in 865 A.D. would he wear Dockers today?
“Everywhere that Marines fight, the fighting stops very quickly (except for Vietnam but we blame the Army for that one) because we are the worlds most feared fighting force.”
Hey, I’m happy as long as there is someone to blame. Were you there? What qualifies you to make these allegations? I thought it was the gooks’ fault. What happened to blaming the gooks? Why would you blame the Army? Are you French?
“The mear mention of the Marines coming will stop many armies in some parts of the world.”
Again, please provide qualifications. Movies don’t count, and neither do 7th grade history books. Please provide a comprehensive list of these armies. The Coast Guard would stop some armies in some parts of the world as well.
“In Korea, units were known to abandon their officers and become deserters after they found out they were/would be fighting Marines.”
American troops fragged their own Captains. I think making it for the hills is far less significant than that, of course unless we blame the Army or the gooks our pride should go unscathed.
“So tell me violence doesn't bring about peace.”
Yes, I think many people would tell you that. You are the one who brought up historical examples; please recognize the inherent contradiction in your own thought process.
“Violent, warlords and dictators around the world understand one thing only: greater violence.”
Who has the most devastating weaponry in the world? Who’s used it…twice? Who is developing WMD as we speak? Who is profiting from that? Who is the most powerful nation in the world? How did it attain that status? You say Marines are feared, please address why they might be feared. How does this fear differ from the fear a peasant would have for a war loving tyrant?
Since the inception of the United States of America, if you were able to count the number of deaths causes by our actions (regardless of what the populous believed at the time or later), do you think any other nation would be responsible for more deaths than that of the United States? If so, please explain.
“War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things.”
You are right about that. I’ve seen your mother. (Sorry, I just couldn’t help myself, but either could she.)
“The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. - John Stuart Mill”
I want to pause here and ask you where this idea came from. War as a means of self defense would seem acceptable. Of course, we have this pre-emptive ideology now. We were pre-emptive against the savage naked Native Americans.
Also, what are your qualifications to commentate on moral and patriotic feelings? What makes you the authority? Turn on CNBC and see where the stocks stand for Raytheon, Boeing, Lockheed, and General Dynamics. Then do me a favor, if you’re not intimidated by thinking. Ask yourself why their stocks are so high. Ask yourself how much you trust corporate executives. Ask yourself if the history of corporate fraud affects your opinion of corporate executives. Provide yourself a list of events, past and very recent, which supports or contradicts your opinion of corporate executives. Then decide if you trust corporate executives differently depending on which industry they represent and then decide why you have that difference of opinion. Then ask yourself how the corporate leadership compares among the different industries. Tyco makes toys, WorldCom provide high speed porn, and Enron made traded nothing. Ask yourself what qualifies the corporate execs of the weapons industry to have such a moral standard as you. Ask yourself if their opinions of the inevitability of war match your own. Then ask yourself if the motivations behind those opinions match your own. If you have any questions, watch the American Enterprise Institute on CSPAN. Then ask yourself why war is profitable. Ask yourself if war would be as enticing if it wasn’t profitable. Then, finally, ask yourself who makes money on war and who pays for it. Do the different parties share interests, objectives, and your “moral standards?”
What are you fighting for Skywalker? Where are you at? Are you getting shot at? Recognize it’s easier to send people to die and to kill than doing it yourself. Talk to service people, off the record and out of uniform. Most of them want to come home. Most of them don’t believe in any of this shit that’s being provided as reason or cause.
I've never read John Stuart Mills until you just quoted him. I just looked him up and here are some more of his quotes. You may already have some of these, so sorry for any redundancy.
“If we are right in the conclusions to which we have been led by the preceding inquiry, there is evidence, but insignificant for proof, and amounting only to one of the lower degrees of probability.”
"The truth is, that we are here face to face with that final inexplicability, at which, as Sir W. Hamilton observes, we inevitably arrive when we reach ultimate facts."
"Actions are right in proportion as they tend to promote happiness; wrong as they tend to produce the reverse of happiness."
You seem far from happy Skywalker. I like it when the black guy is always the first to die in the movies.
"If X is the only thing desired, then X is the only thing that ought to be desired General happiness is the only thing desired Therefore, general happiness is the only thing that ought to be desired."
Well, Skywalker, it’s been a pleasure. I hope you recognize that you have a lot of aggression in yourself and there are better ways of dissipating that than killing people and blaming shit on the Army.
I can keep going, but I'm sure you already know all this.
Have fun, and thanks for playing.
Peace out my friend, and go with which ever god you choose, just stay away from my neighborhood.
BamB00zLed
My god, there are more of you. I didn't scroll down the page. Well, I have to share to love.
Kevin. Let's talk.
“Yes lets ask Jesus, who is , if you believe the way I do, is The Lord!! God supported many wars in the "bible" times"
In the bible times? Kevin, do you even know what the "bible times" are? And seriously, I got some cheat sheets, when you go to the Pearly Gates, one of the questions is: "What is the difference between the Old Testament and the New Testament?" It used to be multiple choice, but answering “C. Jesus” apparently let a few bad apples slide by.
"and he still supports the war of good vs. evil and always will until the end!!!"
Please provide qualifications here. Where did you learn of this information? Does god communicate with you directly, or does he have to commune through your anus?
"So you go ahead and ask Jesus, and he will tell your heart that we are fighting the good fight, good vs. evil... helping people to become unoppressed. Remember teh litte problem in Africa that stoped the second Marines showed UP?(more support to skywalkers point) we fight the good fight!"
Remember the little problem the Marines have now that they didn’t when they were home with their families?
Remember that thing in Africa that was going on for at least 5 years? Why the delay? I think those people were pretty damned oppressed don't you?
"and skywalker, as for VietNam- you can put most of the blaim on our own country trying to run a war from the whitehouse insted of the pentigon.. ("
You guys are actually both wrong. We should have nuked them. We nuked the Japanese Land, and thank god, otherwise we'd be speaking Japanese. If we didn't intervene in Vietnam, we would be speaking Russian now. Get it? Vietnam...Russian? Make the connection?
Yours truly, and with much adoration,
BamB00zLed
"I'm a Christian so I can safely say this: you're clueless. Without a war being fought you'd without a doubt, have never heard of Jesus Christ."
Skywalker, come one you seem like a smart guy. Do you not recognize your inherent contradiction? Would Jesus agree with you?
"Go to China, India, Iran, Saudi Arabia, or Lebanon."
I might have to go to in order to get a job.
“destroys jobs, just-so-you-know. Why? It creates a cycle of dependency which takes away the want to innovate…”
Corporate subsidies do the same. That is why we still use to combustible engine. You know for all that horse power. Pretty exciting shit isn't it?
Please provide qualifications to support your opinion what the "ghetto" experience.
"So maybe you should use a little logic and a little less emotion when you think about wars."
You ever hear, "even though you beat me, we all know who really won?" I am sure if we compared blood pressures mine would be significantly changed than your own. My only emotion is pure pity for all those heathens who don’t accept Christ as their true savior.
"I no more want to kill anyone than the next guy, but send me to war and I'll put as many of them as I can in a body bag."
Once again, please recognize the inherent contradiction your thought process. Start by looking up the word LOGIC.
"The only way Israel will stop having to defend itself is if we nuke the rest of the middle east."
You've swiftly demonstrated your capacity to be Christian.
“…superior military power w/ the ability to crush anyone who attempts to go to war with you, is how you avoid wars,"
Then why are we always at war? Do you know that since 1991 our military has been deployed about 80 times? Did you know that? If so, please explain the discrepancy. I know you’re busy and all.
"then they won't mess with you unless they're crazy or stupid"
Trust me; I don't think many people are stupid enough to mess with you.
"I could go on for hours and disprove every sad attempt at a point you make with me, but I've got better things to do with my time than argue with someone who isn't capable of logical thought, but merely emotional thought - something which makes me think you're a woman."
Something makes me think you hate women.
Please tough guy, when you can spare the time, prove us wrong.
SKYWALKER:
I appreciate you spending your time to think about these issues and truly, I hope that when they eventually deploy you and you see what it is to kill and be shot at you will remember some of the things i say. I know few people with real combat experience who would attempt to glorify murder as you do (and i know many vets from many different deployments). God bless you and thank you for comparing me to a woman, i find women to be very intelligent and more mature than most men of similar ages. I like and repect women, I am attracted to women. For these reasons i could never be a Marine (I know what marines do in Okinawa).
Posted by: bennyhill1978 at November 21, 2003 09:18 PMhttp://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/mcn2000.nsf/lookupstoryref/200111622740
Posted by: BamB00zLed at November 22, 2003 01:44 AMSkywalker,
Once again I want to express my appreciation for you sharing your ideas with me. Your positions have provoked a significant amount of serious thought and analysis. In the attempt to abide by your suggestions, I tried to apply the rules of logic to my own positions. If your positions are those based on logic, and those of Mr. 1978 are based on emotions, I am forced to scrutinize my own thought process. I’ve come up with the following:
Logic may be nothing more than an educated guess using the mental tools at your disposal. Those tools would seem to be greatly influenced by historical experiences and environmental stimuli of the present. It would be interesting to contemplate the potentiality that would exist if one were to conclude that their previous or current understanding of their experiences, past and present, were seriously flawed. Then upon this recognition one also recognizes an inevitable flaw in one’s own logic. This logic would be a set of mental rules and principles developed upon a fundamentally flawed foundation.
Posted by: BamB00zLed at November 22, 2003 09:53 AMSince it would takes me days to fully respond to this overwhelming response, let me just say a few things:
First, I'm not being shot at. I have no desire to be shot at or to shoot anyone else. But if the time came, I would do it, without conscience. My MOS is that of a helicopter mechanic on Huey's and Cobra's. I makes sure the birds can fly so that the pilots can be shot at and shoot back.
Second, murder is killing out of malice. There are not many people int his world I can say I come close to feeling malice towards and I've met all of them. When you kill in war it's an act of war. God directed Israel to do this quite frequently if you recall. In fact, he told them not to leav anything alive, even the livestock. So that gets the Biblical question out of the way for those who want to argue that point. Plus, Jesus never said a thing about war except that there would be many of them. Killing in war is by nature self-defense.
Third, I said I'm not 100% white, I didn't say I was black. (I'm not.)
Fourth, my qualifications for speaking on moral and patriotic feelings? I'm half-way to a degree in computer-engineering, a minor (considering a second degree) in history and I elected to serve my country. I want to run for office one day. I keep a tab on my elected officials. I vote. So my "qualifications" are pretty much whatever I feel they should be.
Morality? We're all alive are we not? So, we get divided into 2 groups on this issue: people who beleive there is no god(s) and therefore believe there is no set standard for any morality (atheism and the word morality are contradictory by definition) other than what we feel at the time, and the people who have some religious preference who believe there is a higher power setting a standard of morality. So by merely being alive, I'd say I am automatically qualified to speak on morality.
Cocky? Yes I am.
Fifth, I'm very happy. The only thing that makes me unhappy is listening to anyone badmouth my country.
Sixth, I like women too. And you have no clue what goes on in Okinawa, Nor do I as I've never been there. I've heard some stories though hahaha! But, not all Marines are the same, I'm not like most of my Marine brothers. I doubt cwilli is either. Being a Marine is irrelevant to your attitude towards women. My comparing you to a woman was due tot he fact that women natualy think emotionally rather than logically. That's why I don't like women in combat: they freeze up. Not to mention that men instinctively try to protect them. This ends up getting men and women killed. Womening serving their country in the military I have no problem with, I just don't feel they should be in infantry units, which they are not.
Seventh, Our military has been deployed more than 80 times. 90% of our deployments have been at the bequest of the UN, other humanitarian missions, or rescue operations. Very few of our deployments are combat deployments. War and deployments are 2 very different things.
Eighth, I love women. I have a mother, I have a sister, a girlfriend, female friends. I'm all about equal opportunities for women in the workforce, but not affirmative action or quotas. I'm all about women all over the world having the same rights as men.
Nineth, feeling that Israel is surrounded by countries that fight with each other and Israel and Israel has never attacked another country except when in imminent danger is not a Christian sentiment. People in the middle-east (not speaking of Israeli's) have agreed with me. In 1998, Israel offered the palestinians 98% of EVERYTHING they claim to be asking for. They were turned down. So war in the middle-east is their fault? Hah! the Arab countries can't stop fighting each other, much less Israel.
Tenth, tell me how you propose we keep terrorists out of this country? Since killing them or imprisoning them doesn't solve it to your satisfaction. Note: since we starting attacking them in their countries, they've yet to attack us in ours. Instead they resorted to bombing the hands that have fed them in the middle-east!
Eleventh, don't patronize me with phrases like "tough guy." It's unbecoming.
Twelveth, I agree with corporate subsidies creating a cycle of dependency. I generally don't like subsidies. However, that isn't the only reason that we use the internal combustion engine so much still. The technology for electric cars which are efficient is a long time in coming. Hydrogen fuel cells look good but, they are having problems producing enough power to do much with them - imagine driving across the country on a move with a u-haul that only had 80hp. You'd not get very far. Then there is the fact that the planet is drowning in oil. It's recently been discovered tht in Colorado, there is more oil than the rest of the world's known reserves. Plus, there is another coal in the US alone to produce oil for the world for the next 500 yrs! Oil is fairly cheap, easy to use and the only evidence that smog from cars is causing any problems is computer models which are based on variables that the scientists who produced them even admitted they had guess as best and pull out of their nether regions at worst! Not to mention that a single volcano can produce 10 times more smog per year than all of the cars in the US combined. Our polution problem exists, but cars are the biggest blame. In georgia we've had emissions testing for well over a decade. Yet our pollution problem has grown disproportionately to our population in the same time frame. Sounds like cars are definitely to blame...
Thirteenth, someone always benefits from a war. Raytheon makes missiles, so to replenish ours, we'll buy from them, so they benefit. Big deal. Dell computers is still reaping the benefits of ww2 and Michael Dell hadn't even been born for that war. Disney benefits from war (part owned by Raytheon.) You even benefit from war. Ever flown in a jet? Thank WW2. Ever worn water proof boots or a water proof leather coat? Thank Korea. Ever put on a really thin jacket they kept you as warm a huge winter coat? That's called gore-tex, thank Vietnam and Gulf War 1. Used GPS? Thank WW2, Korea, Vietnam, the cold war, nuclear bombs and Gulf War 1. How about the kevlar vests that save millions of police officers every year? That's due to Korea and Vietnam. How about all the things we know about space? That's thanks to WW2 and the cold war.
Fourteenth, Vietnam was stupid, I can't find anyone who won't agree that Vietnam was stupid. If it had been my call, we'd have done nothing. If I'd come into it in the middle of it (LBJ, Nixon) I'd have gone all out instead of fighting an armchair war.
Posted by: skywalker at November 22, 2003 01:01 PMSkywalker:
You said they have recently found oil in Colorado? You also mentioned:
"Plus, there is another coal (mine?) in the US alone to produce oil for the world for the next 500 yrs"
Are there links to those articles anywhere? It sounds like an interresting read.
BTW, I actually happen to agree w/ you on "women in combat". I personally can be very logical (not to mention analytical) but, your right, we (women) do tend to be led by our emotions. I'm not saying there are not exceptions to this "rule" with some woman SOMEWHERE in this world (with all the billions of people on this earth I would assume there WOULD have to be a few women who sucessfully think more with logic than w/ emotion) but for the most part, I believe your right. That's ok though. I think God made us (women) that way so we could be the emotional ballance to you men and like wise, you men could ballance us with logic. Yin and yang as they say:-)
Posted by: mrs. muddy at November 22, 2003 03:35 PMSkywalker,
I know these people very well. They are my friends and I care about them as
human beings. However they have left reality behind long ago when it comes
to religion and politics. The things that you have said Skywalker show that
you are wise beyond your years. The true solstice that I find is that they
are not the majority, even though they believe they are because they
surround themselves with people who share the same views. I am sad for them that they have to live in their godless,
paranoid world filled with distrust at everything that they cannot control.
I have always lived by the saying that if you don’t like something then fix
it, leave or shut up. Some people like to bitch and/or preach in the guise of debate.
BTW if it weren’t for the Allies stopping the Axis in WWII then they would
probably be speaking German or Japanese right now. They certainly would not
have the freedom of speech they so take for granted everyday (to the point
that they cant even see that there really are other people that don’t have such freedom. Just ask the Chinese man if he is free to express his view on his country, surf the net, or express his own religious beliefs that are not state sponsered. Ask him if his soul is free by virtue of being alive. I highly doubt he would agree) and I doubt they
would be able to enjoy the quality of life they also take for granted.
Don’t worry guys. Someone else died for you to enjoy those things. Its been paid
for by someone else, enjoy it! That’s the American way,
take, take, take.....
Posted by: cwilli at November 23, 2003 03:46 AMCwilli, take what you said, and then compare it to the reality that you claim as your own.
"they surround themselves with people who share the same views. I am sad for them that they have to live in their godless,
paranoid world filled with distrust at everything that they cannot control."
“they would probably be speaking German or Japanese right now.”
We fear what has actually happened and what is happening. So far you fear speaking Russian and non existent weapons of mass destruction.
Let’s take a look at the stats.
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I see very little diversity in the opinions of the greatest patrons to this site.
You are the Marines. Go put on some uniforms and take and give orders.
Is your accusation accurate?
Instead of carrying out justice among the peasants, direct your aggression to stop these rapes.
HA HA HA HA, that’s how it went didn’t it Skywalker?
Yours truly,
BamB00zLed
In 20 years on this earth, I have heard alot of mundane, moronic, and senseless banter. But that last comment by far is the most non-sensical statement I have ever heard. I feel I am now less intelligent for having read it.
Mrs. muddy: the article about oil in colorado comes from (of all places) a recent issue of Time magazine (and others) and coal statement was mis-typed (I was in a bit of hurry to catch a bus, have I mentioned how inefficient public transportation is?) it should be "there is enough coal in the US alone." I no longer have a reference on that one, it was something I was reading up on a few years ago when I was still in high school while reading about how the German produced a method to turn coal into crude oil during WW2 (I believe it had to do with them trying to solve their fuel crisis.) I'm sure that it wouldn't take much difficulty to find that information. Find an estimated amount of coal in the US, find the estimated oil usage for the world for 500 years, and find how much coal makes how much oil. Voila.
Posted by: skywalker at November 23, 2003 12:19 PMBamboozled,
That’s your problem Bamboozled you are living in fear. This explains a lot to me that I didn’t understand before. Don’t be afraid. There are people who will protect you. They do it because they are not afraid.
“I see very little diversity in the opinions of the greatest patrons to this site.”
The stats on this site have nothing to do with anything and just show that you don’t know what you are talking about. If you did then you know that DF and Les are both as much of an extremist as you are. In fact the only difference between your posts and theirs is the name at the bottom of the post. You should really do your homework before you make claims like that. It just proves my point that when you are faced with reality you change the subject. Even if the subject has no real merit or meaning.
“You are right about that. I’ve seen your mother. (Sorry, I just couldn’t help myself, but either could she.)”
You also start to personally attack. You attacked Skywalkers mother in a post above when he said nothing of your family at all. I think that was wrong. In fact it was very childish and I believe that you owe Skywalker an apology.
Another thing that you like to do is post hugh posts that usually end up as incoherent rambling. Then you post many of them. It’s like the blog version of a filibuster. DF does that exact same thing.
If you cant debate without personally attacking then maybe you should look more closely at your side of the debate.
If you take this post as a personal attack I really don’t care. I am just disappointed that you had to go and say something like that to Skywalker.
Posted by: cwilli at November 23, 2003 12:47 PMSkywalker:
Thanks for the info. I'll have more of a chance to look into it this evening. You know, that time after the kiddies have gone to bed and their playful screams and screechings are no longer filling the house and I can finally rise up from my rocking back and forth in a fetal position while holding my ears and humming that same repetative tune - over and over and ov....ok, maybe it's just me? (LOL) ....ah, parenthood :-)
Posted by: mrs. muddy at November 23, 2003 01:26 PMYou know Skywalker, I was suspecting something, but I completely agree with you here. I thought you just sounded dumber. At least we know what it is.
Interesting how reading something can actually make you dumber. Hmmm, figure that.
Also, I’ve never met your mother. So if she is ugly, then I’m sorry. If she’s not, then you’ve got nothing to worry about.
I understand I’m the one accused of being too emotional, and you may be right. But many of the things taking place in the world do illicit a lot of emotions. Just like the mom joke demonstrated.
I understand many people died, but to use their deaths as a reason as to why the world is as it is today, I think is disrespectful to the importance of their lives. It is death in general that I normally don’t agree with.
But if I really make no sense, let’s try an experiment here. I will just list a number of facts. You can argue any that you like. A variation of things may occur, and they are pretty much binary in nature.
You can get mad or not get mad.
You can agree or not agree.
You can prove or disprove.
You can understand or not understand.
You can rant or rave. (Got you there, not exactly binary)
Simple things like that are sometimes predictable, especially in this situation. But here is where the magic lies. The only things listed below are facts. They are pretty much they inarguable, but I still want you to reply. It is your response that will determine what your position is and if that position is truly consistent with what either your religion tells you or what your government tells you.
In either case, I want you to fill in the blanks with what ever comes to mind in your response. Draw your conclusion, I know that even though this is just a list of historical facts, you will draw conclusions and perhaps even read into it a little. Let us know what that is. Let us know what your presumptions are. Let us know what you think I imply. Let us have it. Show us how reading this makes you dumber.
FACT: Major General Bob Scales on Fox News just said “this a cultural war," "we have to take a different approach in this war now, we have to win the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people."
FACT: Winning hearts and minds is done through propaganda.
FACT: The Nazis mass marketed and succeeded at a grand scale with propaganda.
FACT: The propaganda is disseminated by the easiest and broadest sweeping means.
FACT: That means has, in recent history, been the mass media.
FACT: Propaganda is primarily the tool of the rich and powerful and not a primary tool of the weak and the poor.
FACT: A higher rate of illiteracy exists in the poor.
FACT: The Bible was written and published by institutions with much power.
FACT: Most of those who actually wrote the words were not even allowed to read the words they copied.
FACT: The richest country will most likely control most avenues of the media.
FACT: The most powerful country will use the media as a tool of propaganda to maintain consent of its populous.
FACT: Not every German was evil.
FACT: To think that is racist and ignorant.
FACT: Without propaganda Nazi Germany would not be as successful as it was.
FACT: The majority of media outlets are controlled by a minority of people.
FACT: Propaganda is more useful and effective when it something the people want to believe and feel good about believing.
FACT: Recognizing inherent flaws is not easy nor appealing to most people, therefore, it would not be an effective approach to propaganda.
Conclusion: Anything that is told to you by someone who has more power than you should be scrutinized with the highest degree of criticism. When you believe without question and doubt, then more bamboozling will occur.
I am not saying our Government is run by Nazis, I am just saying there are historical consistencies by all major powers of the world. This is undeniable.
Remember the earth is round, the sun is the center of the solar system, we are made of carbon, blacks should not be slaves, women deserve equal rights, we’ve reached the moon, we can fly, governments lie, and the poorest die. Remember that a large part of the decisions being made today are being made by people who’s interests are not that of your own nor of most of the people who inhabit this country or this earth. That is because most people are not rich. Most people are not powerful. Most people do not control the major avenues of media. Most people hate war.
Perhaps you are the majority, but realize that power wields a mighty stroke. Your book says to pound swords into plow shares. Blessed are the meek. Blessed are the poor. Examine who we go to war with. Examine who suffers. Examine who does most of the dying. Examine who makes the most profits.
And when I called you tough guy, just trust me when I say I was not patronizing.
What you read of mine might make you feel dumber, but what I read of yours sure as hell made me feel smarter.
Good evening, you guys help me develop my thinking capacity. And provide a cardiovascular work out at a key board.
God bless America, and get a free Power of Pride bumper sticker when you shop at Lowes. That’s a FACT (or at least it was when they ran the special).
BamB00zLed
Posted by: BamB00zLed at November 23, 2003 08:12 PMNo comment.
Keeping an eye on the dollar.
4 23 Am. Waking up.
I agree with sky on one thing. Freedom has to be won. You can't just get it. You can win it through violence. Or non violence. But not without fighting. And non violent fighters can be terribly effective.
The only way Israel will ever be in peace is if we nuke the region ...
If you can do that and still be OK with your soul ...
Anyway ... it's a good day today. Keep up the faith bamboosled...
Try to remember the people here have some very interesting parts too. Not many pro linux people in the US. Blame the fox and "economists".
just let time flows and see how the people come up with different stories as time goes by. Interesting.
Any body wants some info on climate change
http://www.pewclimate.org/
Have a nice day.
Some humans had to decide on who would end up being selected for his stories on jeseus. They chose Luc Marc, Mathew and John.
Others were available with sometimes different sayings ... Ever read St Paul the apostle on women, they need to wear scarf ... and so on.
ok.. back to work
Posted by: DF at November 23, 2003 10:41 PMcan not resist.
I bet you'll laugh, cry and the rest
http://usgohome.free.fr/economy_english.htm
I get an email once in a while from them. Had not been there since april...
Too bad translation does not seem so good.
Have fun.
Posted by: DF at November 24, 2003 01:13 AMLet's say it, translation is really poor. Any way. Worth a shot.
http://usgohome.free.fr/economy_english.htm
The concept itself is funny
of course the majority of you weird people might prefer
http://merdeinfrance.blogspot.com/
but it's full of scrap.
Local Police Arresting Christians In Crackdown
In Defense of the Faith
Wednesday, November 26, 2003
Ed Mlynar
Imagine living in a country where the official government policy is to consider all Protestant churches outside of government control to be subversive and a threat. Imagine being arrested and sentenced to hard labor for simply owning a Bible. Imagine this happening and your family not being notified of your incarceration until five month later, leaving them to wonder where you are or if you are even alive. This is what happens in China. The next time you wake up on Sunday morning and decide getting ready for church is too much of a hassle, I want you to remember three names: Li Hualiang, Wu Zhengxin and Wu Xinhua. They were arrested on April 27th for the crime of owning a Bible. Their families were notified on September 26th and were finally allowed to visit on October 21. If you live in a country where the church is not regulated by the state, then you have much to be thankful for.
"Freedom was given to my by my creator and not your gun or you self-righteous view that you are the one who decides who "deserves" freedom"
I wonder why your creator gave you freedom but decided that Li Hualiang, Wu Zhengxin and Wu Xinhua didnt deserve it?
Freedom is not free.
Posted by: cwilli at November 26, 2003 11:08 PMcwilli:
"Freedom was given to me by my creator and not your gun or you self-righteous view that you are the one who decides who 'deserves' freedom".
Very true! I've always know that it is God who gives ALL human kind freedom (free will - that is). I've just always felt very blessed to live in a country (even with ALL of our many and sometimes seemingly incurable faults) that upholds that right.
Well, here it is. Officially Thanksgiving Day. Unfortunately, I have to admit that because of the way that our society has bastardized both Thanksgiving AND Christmas - I tend not to enjoy either Holiday (to a degree) anymore. But because of the story you've shared, I think all of us Americans could agree that it IS stories like these - that we've ALL heard throughout the years - that Remind us of how blessed we truely are :-)
Thanks for the reminder:-)
Have a great Holiday everyone (Americans, that is, of course) and God bless :-)
Posted by: mrs. muddy at November 27, 2003 12:44 AM
It's a sign of mediocrity when you demonstrate gratitude with moderation.
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Posted by: Levy Rachel at December 10, 2003 05:54 PMAnyone can learn from pain.
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