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Here at Pendleton, this is without a doubt the story. Unbelievable news!

WELL DONE CHAPS !!!

Now that's a victory.

Hope this can bring some peace. Improvements. And hope.

I am SO proud of the 4th infantry...I could just kiss them all (just like a woman to say that, huh:-P). Not to mention how happy I am for the Iraqi people. Maybe now they will finally be able to bring about justice for all the evil this monster has done! However, I am a bit suprised Saddam did not try to kill himself BUT I'm glad he didn't. He needs to pay for his crimes through the punishment handed out by the very people he oppressed. That's one trial I WILL be watching and keeping up with!

This is indeed unbelieveable. I am also glad to see DF's encouraging comments.

Kudo's to the 4th infantry and everyone in Iraq. Even though our mission is not yet complete, lets get Iraq on its feet and get our boys back home!

Be glad it was the Army who got him and not us, i have a feeling had the Marines been involved he might have been "found dead already."

Kudos though! Great operation, alot of luck involved (in that he was still there when they got there), but from what I understand the whole operation was carried out without a single problem! That's an accomplishment for anyone!

This will no doubt shorten the length of our troop commitment to Iraq - always a good thing.

I find the following very sad and funny at the same time. A reporter just said on the news that she had talked to one of the leaders of Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade (of Palestinian fame) said how upset he was that Saddam did not put up a fight. After he had asked so many Palestinians to blow themselves up. He just walked out and gave up.

Well, maybe now, the Palesinians (and others) will begin to see the coward that Saddam truely is. Then again, maybe not.

No, they won't. Reminder: they hate us for our predominant religion not being Islam.

People in Afghanistan and Kuwait, 2 countries who should be thanking us for removing tyrannical governments from their midst, are upset about this!

skywalker:
Ah yes, this is true. However, couldn't you have at least allowed me sometime to live a little longer in my world of delusion and fantasy? It was a very pretty place there.....and now...it's gone :-/

This is indeed unbelieveable. I am also glad to see DF's encouraging comments.

Hey remember I'm all for democracy !! If anything can help now to build a stable Irak ... I'm for it.
Saddam was a tyran there's no doubt about this, and if people can remember, the Irak case as a victorious fight for democracy ... Then all the better.

Some comments in the press seem to imply that things may get worse with a now united opposition ...
I hope it won't be the case. I think that altogether a clear desire and pledge from the US to leave (in order and with a clear plan), a rapid move for more democracy, some info given by saddam and some surrenderings and the first steps into democracy... All this linked with a new move for more democracy in Iran ...
And the situation will improve.

The funniest part would be if you had a democrat elected on his opposition to the irak policy just before everything starts to really improve (just as Bush Sr was pushed out just before the economy started again).
But I think you deserve another term of Bush.
This will lead to the new and huge turn we need in economic policy... a new roosevelt era. Prepare for 2008. This is my bet.

Now in response to skywalker once again off tracks to mho ...
The people in Irak kuwait and afganhistan do not oppose to the US (mainly) for religious reasons... After all they oppose the turks and they are muslim, and they like France who is in its majority Catholic...
The main problem is what they resent as oppression. Just imagine you had thousands of soldiers not speaking your language around your streets... Imagine you d see your ressources exported to other countries without having a word to say about it, imagine you'd see no clear leadership to build a nation between separate groups (blacks, latinos,WASP, catholics) but had a clear and self evident common opponent to oppose to...
The solution would be self evident. You'd be shooting those who occupy your country. That's what these people do. Not that it makes them happyer... Think of the yougoslav wars... So many deaths ... And what ? ANd it still is not over.
Nation building is a hard job, and even harder to do from the outside.

Well see you to the next big event...

This is indeed unbelieveable. I am also glad to see DF's encouraging comments.

Hey remember I'm all for democracy !! If anything can help now to build a stable Irak ... I'm for it.
Saddam was a tyran there's no doubt about this, and if people can remember, the Irak case as a victorious fight for democracy ... Then all the better.

Some comments in the press seem to imply that things may get worse with a now united opposition ...
I hope it won't be the case. I think that altogether a clear desire and pledge from the US to leave (in order and with a clear plan), a rapid move for more democracy, some info given by saddam and some surrenderings and the first steps into democracy... All this linked with a new move for more democracy in Iran ...
And the situation will improve.

The funniest part would be if you had a democrat elected on his opposition to the irak policy just before everything starts to really improve (just as Bush Sr was pushed out just before the economy started again).
But I think you deserve another term of Bush.
This will lead to the new and huge turn we need in economic policy... a new roosevelt era. Prepare for 2008. This is my bet.

Now in response to skywalker once again off tracks to mho ...
The people in Irak kuwait and afganhistan do not oppose to the US (mainly) for religious reasons... After all they oppose the turks and they are muslim, and they like France who is in its majority Catholic...
The main problem is what they resent as oppression. Just imagine you had thousands of soldiers not speaking your language around your streets... Imagine you d see your ressources exported to other countries without having a word to say about it, imagine you'd see no clear leadership to build a nation between separate groups (blacks, latinos,WASP, catholics) but had a clear and self evident common opponent to oppose to...
The solution would be self evident. You'd be shooting those who occupy your country. That's what these people do. Not that it makes them happyer... Think of the yougoslav wars... So many deaths ... And what ? ANd it still is not over.
Nation building is a hard job, and even harder to do from the outside.

Well see you to the next big event...

I'm glad you're for democracy DF, but I'm not. There's never been a single successful democratic country in the history of the world, because a democratic government always turns into mob rule. Republican governments like that of the US and of France however work fairly well. :-)

DF: if you think they oppose us for any reason other than religious you're naive. Turkey is majority muslim, but they also host the capitol of the Eastern Orthodox church, a Christian church. Did you not read some of the comments they were making? They were upset about a "good muslim holy warrior falling into the hands of the infidels." Sounds like a religious thing to me.

I was speaking ont he terms of why they send terrorists to embassies, large skyscrapers in new york and in how they speak about us. If I didn't like a foreign army being in my country, I'd find a means to resist too. However, most of the people resisting in Iraq, are not Iraqi's, so that kind of nullifies that argument.

"most of the people resisting in Iraq, are not Iraqi's,"

Lol. Soon you'll write here that most people leaving in Irak are not irakis... You might want to say people who commit suicide attacks are not irakis... But the protesters seem irakis indeed. [your not paying attention DF, opening your eyes is curcial]

Religion has the role one lets it play. Nobody forced your Bush to act as a religious leader launching a crusade... [*chuckle* you spinster]

Most of all this is a matter of cash power and most of all pride.
Out of pride people die or kill, because they want to show they exist, they have to be listened to. [hence why Chirac is now planning on making it illegal to wear any "religious" symbol in France in public, sounds like Pride to me]

In 20 years what will be painfully clear is that while US focus on the muslims ... And while the monotheists fight against one another... China and India Thrives. [*cough* why, who focuses on the Muslims? *cough* Chirac?]

I'm indeed very surprised that religious people like you seemed to be can not see how closer the christian religion is to the muslim one than to the indhu gods and to confucianism-taoism.
[who the heck is religious? Religion is man made hypocrisy, kind of like your spin my friend.]

anyway.

The point you make between democracy seems void to me. would you please clarify the concepts you use. [got an encyclopedia handy? Look up what a republic and democracy is, two different things]

France is a republic. Indeed and a democracy too. [you just contradicted yourself, doh!]
I think that now that the socialist countries are over it's about the only country calling it self a republic. Républic Française.

The USA are certainly not a republic. [Well I can say I agree with our founders that we are a Constitution-based federal republic, also The Constitution guarantees to every state a Republican form of government (Art. 4, Sec. 4). No state may join the United States unless it is a Republic.] (and by the way, Mob rules. There's lobbies everywhere ... from one day to another everything is forgotten, no sense of history ...)
And it works though.
It is a representative democraty. where people elect others. But still a democracy.

All I'm going to say about THAT comment so far (because right now, I do *not* have alot of time) is that: as far a "suicide attacks" in the middle east go. Most of the ones I've heard of have been from Palestinians and from Al-qaida members....yes, I could be very wrong, but that's what I understand it to be. However, the main reason *I* wanted to respond to your post is to correct you in your comment: "the Christian religion". It's true, the meaning of "religion" does depend on your point of view BUT to say "the Christian religion" is a HUGE oxymoron. You can either be "religious" by following man made rules, traditions and dogma that lead you no where except being angry and depressed (because you'll NEVER achieve "man-made" aceptance) : OR, you can follow Christ/God who is the maker of ALL the universe and you and me. He'll take you as you are AND unlike man, you don't have to "prove" anything to him. I know you don't believe in our God ( at least that's what I've gotten from your posts before) BUT that's how *I* (and many other Christians) feel.

Negative DF: we are a republic. Lobbies are not majorities, they are minorities proving that we're not a democracy. How we choose our leaders is irrelevant to our form of government. A democracy is where majority rules. A republic is where representatives rule. The only democratic thing about our government is how we choose our officials.

As for Iraqi protestors. Sure, some people their protest, just like some people in the US protest our involvement. Point? This is not mention that fact that since I've been in the Marine Corps (speaking of which, at 0800 tomorrow, I'm officially discharged from active duty and I become a reservist) I've seen reporters try to pay people to feign protests. I can easily picture that being done in Iraq. (Why not? I have heard of it happenning is Afghanistan.)

Irrelevant to that, is that most of the attacks come from terrorists. Will you here this in the news? Probably not, particularly in France. Is it true? Yes it is. How do I know? Because I've talked to people who have been shot at by such attacked and returned with appropriate action (they killed the people shooting at them.)