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True, their as evil as the U.N. I'd like to see both disappear from view and be disbanded.

Wow! Are you guys for real?

You would have probably voted for Andrew Jackson too.

Read this, it's full of fun lovin' hoop-la.

(1) Andrew Jackson, speech (May, 1830)

It gives me great pleasure to announce to Congress that the benevolent policy of
the government, steady pursued for nearly thirty years, in relation with the
removal of the Indians beyond the white settlements is approaching to a happy
consumation.

The consequences of a speedy will be important to the United States, to
individual states, and to the Indians themselves. It puts an end to all possible
danger of a collision between the authorities of the general and state
governments, and of the account the Indians. It will place a dense population in
large tracts of country now occupied by a few savaged hunters. By opening the
whole territory between Tennessee on the north and Louisiana on the south to the
settlement of the whites it will incalculably strengthen the Southwestern
frontier and render the adjacent states strong enough to repel future invasion
without remote aid.

It will separate the Indians from immediate contact with settlements of whites;
enable them to pursue happiness in their own way and under their own rude
institutions; will retard the progress of decay, which is lessening their
numbers, and perhaps cause them gradually, under the protection of the
government and through the influences of good counsels, to cast off their savage
habits and become an interesting, civilized, and christian community.

And CWilli, I am not aware of the Man Boy Love Association - besides the Catholic Church.

Where do you find stuff like this?

Are you actually doing research on man boy love?

Peace in the Middle East. Oh, yes I said it. I would actually like to see Peace in the Middle East.

Do your homework. I am sure that even you can see how sick this is.

http://www.warriorsfortruth.com/nambla.html

It is distrubing that such things take place in our world, and I am truly happy that I do not experience that same stressors as some other do.

Be wary, though. If ads sell news, and news is usually liberal, then I have to be suspicious of this news. There is an ad for online gambling, and gambling is evil.

Also, if I were Dr. Evil and wanted to control the internet, this would definately go on my docate.

Are those the lyrics from a Nirvana song?

Actually I never really listened to Nirvana. I have a CD of theirs, but never listened to it, because other people said they didn't like it.

I think I'm going to put it on right now.

I just listened to that CD and I can't understand much of it.

That was my point.

lmao.. oh how this discussion has degenerated.

I hate the ACLU. They're insane and evil. I don't like the U.N. or the E.U. either. They all support an anti-Christ one world government. Our dollar bill has the symbol of the Illuminati and the words new world order in latin on it, showing the plans of those people were set long ago and the U.S. is part of it. Also, I think those Man Boy Love people are just sick. Men shouldn't have the right to do little boys up the booty.

P.S. There isn't going to be peace in the Middle East. Those people have been killing themselves for millenia and will continue to do so with or without America's involvement.

"There isn't going to be peace in the Middle East. Those people have been killing themselves for millenia and will continue to do so with or without America's involvement."

So true, so true. Sadly though, I don't think some people have quite gotten a graps of that knowledge yet.

1 I wonder how you can pretend to side with the christ and then spend all your energy writing a hate message adressed to the UN, the EU, the US, the ACLU, and the gays ... That's a lot people to hate for one single individual. And it does not seem very christian.

2 Wars in the middle east started in 1948, with the creation of israel. That's less than 60 years. NOt close to a millenium.
If you want to look for wars in the region involving similar peoples you have to back very very long. If you equate Israel and Christians, then you can say Israel occupation is an equivalent to the christian kingdoms that resulted the crusades. These kingdoms lasted between 1000 and 1300.
If you want to look for jewish people fighting muslims ... Well it won't happen. Israel disappeared in 70 after crhist, destroyed by the romans. That was long before Muhammad appeared (born in 570 AC). Jewish and christians enjoyed a high level of tolerance under the muslim leaders of the middle east. THey had more chance that the muslims converted by force during the crusades and the reconquest of spain.

In 1967 Israel attacked without warning its neighbours won the war and occupied territories. These territories occupation is since Illegal. Their return to their lawful owners (the palestinians) has been blocked eversince because of the USA involvment.

So I'm sorry but 2 things are wrong here.
1 these people were not used to killing themselves
2 the USA have long opposed any settlement of the case by backing Israel in all its request.

CLinton did try to reach a settlement. Progress were made. Alas jewish religious fundamentalists killed the israeli prime minister in order to prevent peace.
An agreement seemed close in 2000. Israel had started to make real concessions. Some were still lacking : namely compensation for all the muslims that were forced into exile in 1967 (in nowadays terms it is called ethnic cleansing)or better a right to return.

Bush since in power has done nothing to improve the situation. In fact he made things worse. Some believe he's part of those who believe that the christ will come back once the jewish people are back in promised land. Some believe he's just stupid. That's my belief.

just an aside:

the missiles and helicopters that isreal uses to retaliate/perpetuate against the suiciding and stone-throwing palestinians are american made (the only export the US has left these days is WAR) and named ironically after the tribes of native americans that the US federal armies all but extinguished in the years after the civil war.

The very same people who pay your salary did the exact same thing to Indians here in Ohio. Do you mention that to them on payday? Perhaps you should. A better idea would be to bitch about it on some blog site and stay quiet when the checks are passed out.

Actions speak louder than blogs.

Great post cwilli. Next time a criminal points a gun at you, try to protest openly, and not to complain later at the police station.

I wonder if you know it, but sometimes, people have to bend their head in order to stay alive, and there's no shame about it if they keep on fighting. I have no doubt bennyhill takes action in his own way, and I have no doubt insulting his employer would be the stupidiest thing to do.

Hypocrisy is forced by those who have power on those who have not, there s no shame to rely on it as a tool in the struggle for more justice.

Hrmm. Personally the next time (there was a first time mind you) a criminal points a gun at me, he'll receive a .45 ACP bullet in return. Mind you that's because I believe death is also spelled .45 but maybe cwilli believe it is spelled 10mm or .40 or .357.

BTW, IIRC it was palestinians who killed the Israeli prime minister.

"Hrmm. Personally the next time (there was a first time mind you) a criminal points a gun at me,"

????....not that it's any of my business but what and when did *that* happen?

Frankly skywalker on which world do you live ?
What does IIRC mean BTW ?
Rabin was killed by a Sionist jewish fundamentalist. How can you believe palestinians killed him ?

Rabin's alleged killer appears in court
The man who confessed to killing Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin appeared in court for the first time Monday. Jewish law student Yigal Amir told the judge the assassination was meant to halt the Mideast peace process.

Investigators are trying to determine whether Yigal Amir killed Rabin on behalf of a Jewish extremist group. Several dozen militants have been questioned. Police are also looking for the head of the Eyal group -- an offshoot of the outlawed anti-Arab Kach movement.

Asked where he got his ideas, Yigal Amir told the magistrate that he drew on the Halacha, which is the Jewish legal code. "According to the Halacha, you can kill the enemy," Amir said. "My whole life, I learned Halacha. When you kill in war, it is an act that is allowed."

Asked whether he acted alone, Amir replied: "It was God."

http://edition.cnn.com/WORLD/9511/rabin/umbrella/

Finally, once a criminal has a gun directed at you, I doubt trying to fire at him is the wisest thing to do. Let's say then, that I was meaning has a gun pointed at one inch of your head.
The point was : there are times when retreat is the best path to final victory. Useless provocation is pointless.

When I said the Middle Easterns have been killing themselves, I didn't mean consistantly. If that were the case, they'd all be dead. However, the Crusades were part of what I was talking about (in fact the Crusades and what's going on right now are some of the best examples) Something you should do though is read the Bible and realize that although Israel was not officially a country until 1948, it did exist in the minds of the Jews and others for millinia (thousands of years) and that was when the biggest part of the fighting of "who's land is it really" started and has been going on ever since with the longest breaks being only about 200 years.
Also, I don't hate the United States in the least, and I'll take back hating the ACLU, but I hate their actions and what they stand for, and no, they do not stand for the rights of Americans although that is their claim.

Crusades were not middle easterners fighting among themselves, it was europeans invading middle eastern territories to "free" the place where jesus had been born and where he died.

Yes jewish believed in Israel. But so do palestinians in palestin. Kurds also hope to get a country. Irakis felt they had rights to invade Kuwait (kuwait had always been part of irak in the past). I mean if it is sufficient to once hace held a territory 2000 years ago to invade it ...
Well, you americans are lucky the indians don't have nuclear weapons ... They might want to free their territory.

Just recently a judge said there could be no such thing as an "ennemy combattant", unless a trial ruled so. You can thank the ACLU and people like them to defend you against the moloch federal state.
WIth ashcroft in power anybody looking like a terrorist could get behind bars, with no trial ever.
It's easy to rule by fear.

actually df the judge said they could have their status as an "enemy combatant" removed in a trial. and the arabs were killing each other during the crusades as well as europeans killing them.

DF, how many times have the palestinians rejected a palestinian state now?

About the judge, give me your source. I posted mine on the forum. Mine said the judge ruled the "ennemy combattant" label was inappropriate for the prisonner, as no trial had judged it so, and there for genova convention applied.

About arabs fighting each other during the crusades. Of course some fighting occured in between them. May I remember you Europeans fought themselves all the time during the same period and up until mid 20th century.

The palestinians have not rejected a palestinian state. That is not the correct phrasing.
The correct phrasing is how long has Israel refused to comply to UNO resolutions asking it to leave from the occupied territory it invaded in 1967 in a preventive (illegal) war.
Answer 37 years.

Palestinians were right to reject all the offers they received so far because none included any reparations for all the palestinians deported by the Israeli military in 1967.

As for the palestinians, I count twice. Once in 1947, and once in 1999.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0776421.html

Check paragraph one under the heading "history" for the 1947 one.

http://www.factmonster.com/ipka/A0776421.html

Under this link the info is even better.

Paragraph 2 under the heading "history" again:

"Through a series of political and social policies, Jordan sought to consolidate its control over the political future of Palestinians and to become their speaker. Jordan even extended citizenship to Palestinians in 1949—Palestinians constituted about two-thirds of the country's population. In the Gaza Strip, administered by Egypt from 1948–1967, poverty and unemployment were high, and most of the Palestinians lived in refugee camps."

Funny, when Jordan and Egypt ran the place they didn't commit acts of terrorism in order to attain a state that had been rejected because they thought they could crush Israel pretty easily. No sooner had Israel taken over the place in a war (how the hell is a war illegal?) that they started because they and everyone else in the free world KNEW they were about to be attacked than suddenly Israeli civilians became the targets unlike the Palestinians who were caught int he cross-fire of a war. Why I'm calling them Palestinians I'll never know though, because there has never ever ever ever ever been a nation on God's green earth, called Palestine.

Now, fast forward to 1999 when the Israeli's offered Arafat everything they wanted except reparations which anyone who knows anything about
diplomacy knows they are never going to get, so Arafat again rejected a Palestinian state. Sorry, but just because you don't get 100% of your demands, doesn't mean you're not rejecting a Palestinian state. Get over it, they could care less about having a Palestinian state, they just want to crush Israel. Not that you'd be bothered by it.

Hey DF, what was Arafat's nationality and ethnicity? I give you a hint: not Palestinian.

As for the UN Resolutions, that would be like the UN in 1949 passing a resolution saying the French must withdraw from Indochina, an area it invaded in a preventable (illegal) war. You country would have (rightfully) told the UN to screw itself and so has Israel. The UN wasn't designed to take over sovereignity and that's what those resolutions do. Aside from that, the entire 14 year history of the Iraq conflict shows just how binding UN resolutions are.

As for the enemy combatant thing, the decision you reference is a circuit court decision, it must go before the surpreme court before it is binding. Not to mention it doesn't exactly work how you said it does. Not to mention that the judge who made the decision demonstrated a complete lack of understanding for the Geneva Conventions but I won't discuss this further since it's an unsettled case.

I can't see why Palestinians would have accepted the division of palestin back in 1947. Why would they have accepted the creation of Israel back then ?

Palestinians before 1967 where hoping to fight crush Israel. That's true. They wanted not a palestinian state close to Israel. They wanted palestin and the destruction of Israel as a state.

Under international law, all the wars are illegal. Just like you can not shoot at your neighbor because you have a gun and your neighbour has none, no state can invade another just because it is stronger.
Some do it however. The UNO is aimed at curbing unilateral act of violence.
Just as with national law, it is legal to defend oneself, if someone clearly attacks you, you can strike back.
*Sofar, there is no world army, so the system is not working perfectly. It's working better that the society of nations though. And the next system will be even better.

You'll see about the enemy combattant thing. I don't have any doubt on the final result. It may take time, but I promise you, guantanamo will be remembered as a huge shame for your country, just like the camps for "japanese" during WWII are remembered now.

ABout indochina, if we had left in 1949 we would have spared 2 wars, and may be vietnam would not have turned communist ...

ANd watch for the reparations ... I'm sure they will get some. If you want to know, jewish people have received reparations in 1990 for their property stolen by nazi Germany back in 1939...
So there's no reason palestinians could not get some for land stolen back in 1967 ...

you can read this. Ashcroft clearly understood the ruling ... Bush may try to nominate judges whith his viewpoint. And it may even work. But not for long.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=249164

Andrew Jackson may have been wrong on some things, but his opposition of the international bankers was a great success and we can be very thankful for that or this country would have gone to hell waaaaay long ago before now.

About the EU and UN, only an ignoramous wouldn't be opposed to those...or an evil person. They were funded for power, on corruptness, the UN oil for food scandal is nothing compared to the UN sex trading going on among their leaders or their excessive drug and alchol abuse. In other words, they are much like the leaders in the US government. Having said that, I still support a US withdrawal from the UN.