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Here are a couple more of the pictures;

http://www.notinourname.net/war/torture-29apr04.htm

I found a 'torture gallery';

http://www.theage.com.au/photogallery/2004/04/30/1083224564638.html

I'm pissed that the American public is so mad about these few P.O.W. (that means WAR, this is not a boy scout retreat, in war ugly, dirty and horrible things happen) and they didn't say word one about OUR soldiers that were treated worse by the Iraq's in the first and second gulf war. Where the hell is the outrage at that!?!?!?!

America, where we care more about some murdering bastards than our own sons and daughters.

I'm pissed that people are outraged at this when the pictures were taken so that the soldiers would be punished. The pictures were taken for the very idea of them being evidence. Someone knew it was wrong, tried to stop it and couldn't so they did something about it. Sunds to me like people doing THE RIGHT THING!

Regarding Muddys ridiculous statement. 1. you are an idiot.

Muddys. You are racist, stupid and not welcome on this forum. Move your as from here

Bibo:

First of all: *I* know my husband, *you* don't! He is NOT a racist. If he were, I would have NEVER been attracted to him to begin with.

2ndly: Without trying to speak FOR him, his comment was made *before* we knew the WHOLE story of this prison "scandle".....and frankly, we STILL don't know the whole story. Not that what we've seen so far is excusable...it's horrible and does NOT look good by a long shot. But *I* for one DO feel there are STILL quite *alot* of unanswered questions and I'm NOT trusting the media to tell us the truth much in this case (as they mostly cater to the liberals and can be very one sided) so *I* myself am holding back most of my OWN feelings untill I've heard questions answered that I personally have.

3rdly: *This* place is NOT a FORUM (though muddy DID recently add one here)...it is a WEBSITE that HE made - hence the term "MUDDY'S MIND"...so as HE *is* the creator of this website and no one would be posting nor commenting if it weren't for him...HE'S here to stay - Deal with it! YOU don't like him here then YOU "move your ass from here"

Well, I've said my peace....Have a nice day.

Bibo I forgive your ignorance, I'll pray that someday you pull your head out of your butt and join the rest of humanity.

I also wish you make you aware, this is NOT a forum. It's a web site, or web blog.
My forum is found @ www.muddysmind.com/forum/ if that is what your looking for.

Also, if you don't like MY web site, please leave, and don't let the door hit you on the way out.

I don't forgive it cause it wasn't ignorance. It was stupid. Not to mention that I don't see how anything said in here shows that you may beleive in the genetic superiority of one race over another. All that was said was that you were outraged over a lack of outrage. If that's racist then damn, everyone on this planet is a racist just about.

I was being kind to him, it's my nature, however you are 100% correct.

"If that's racist then damn, everyone on this planet is a racist just about."

Hey! I'm NOT racist. I hate everybody equally!

I always tell people who work with me when they complain about how i treat them that I'm an equal opportunity a**hole.

LOL! I don't think that line would work for me around my "co-workers", not unless I want a couple of foul mouthed kids on my hands.

Eh, I nearly got canned a couple times over it until I explained to my bosses that I was doing the job of 3 people for the price of half of one person and the guys I was "mean" to were doing a sorry job and one of them had stolen my girlfriend to boot! :-)

Ahh....Yes, I've had jobs like that before (as we ALL have). *I* even remember "jokingly" begging *my* bosses to please fire me because I had had enough...funny thing was, they wouldn't. They said I was one of the few around there who they knew would do the job right. Of course, *I* never had problems like that with *my* girlfriend ....sounds like you're better off without 'er...better luck next time, sweetie. :-/

I dared my boss to fire me.

"Go ahead! Fire me, find someone else who will work 17 hours a day 3 days in a row for the crap i get paid!"

Well, my experience was 10/11 yrs. ago. I've become alot more outspoken and aggressive since. If I would be in the same position *today* as I was back then putting up with the same crap....Wow! Actually, that thought is too scary to complete....only God could have saved them. :-)

my co-workers hated me, I was a mean, vicious son of a b----. But you know what? When I was working the work was done faster, customers were happy, and whenever we had a health department inspection, as long as I was in charge of making sure there were no discrepencies before hand, we would get a 95 or better every time. Hey, can't argue with those numbers I told them. Believe me, if I had not needed the unbelievably flexible schedule they gave me, i would never have thought about working there, that job SUCKED! But I worked basically what I wanted to work for hours, I could take off when I wanted with just a weeks' notice and I got free food. Can't beat that.

No, I guess you can't beat that. But it does sound like you where working with alot of people who didn't care much about the product of their work. But, of course, to everything "good" there always seem to be some kind of a catch now doesn't it.:-)

I worked with teenagers, most of whom constantly bitched about their parents not getting them a nice enough car or giving them enough money for this or that.. and that's why they have to slave their poor butts away at this crummy job.

My parents and grandparents had a word for crummy jobs like that when they were teenagers: opporunity.

Yes, I've worked with some of those too before. One however - a girl about 16 or 17 - totally impressed the socks off of me. She not only did what she was told to do but did other things *before* she was told to do it. I even once caught this girl picking up cigarette butts off the floor with her bare hands - no less. I laughed at her (not in a mean way - mind you) and told her she could use a broom to do that and she informed me she was almost done anyway. When she got her paychecks, she offered them to her mom first to "help out" then whatever she got back was "just fine" with her. She wasn't a "push over" but she was so genuine and such a sweetie....I told her I wanted to adopt her. :-) People like her gave/give me hope for the younger generation.:-)

That was me, except for the giving up my paycheck part. I was also a nasty son of a b---- while i did it too. Mainly because I am so easily irritated by stupidity and laziness.

"I am so easily irritated by stupidity and laziness."

Man! You would have gone postal just for *sport* in the place *I* used to work....and this time I'm mainly refering to some of the customers we used to get. Talk about some big time LOOSERS!!!

Ever worked fast food? The smartest people on earth become blithering idiots at the intercom for a fastfood place

"The smartest people on earth become blithering idiots at the intercom for a fastfood place"

Talking from expierence are we then. :-P

Actually, I never worked junk food *cough* uh, I mean *fast* food before but I did work at a resturant for a while. However, most of *my* "horror" stories come from working in "retail". We would sometime get people in there who were...uh, now how can I put this tactfully....extremely oral hygienically challenged! These people would come in asking for penciles or a screw driver and we would always give directions to their prefered destinations in creative fashions in hopes of awakening them to their hygienic problems:

"Ok, you see that sign down *that* isle that says dove soap on sale for .99 cents - yeah, it's right next to that sign for shampoo and deoderant. Follow that to the screw drivers."

Unfortunately for us....it never worked.

I have more stories to tell on the *many* major abuses of food stamps and welfare checks but I'll tell you some other time. *IN* the mean time, although DF hasn't been here in a while ( or at least he's not commenting on anything) I'm afraid his spirit still lingers as we have both drifted waaaayyyy off the subject. Ooops! Oh, well, it was a refreshing drift. :-)

Great sight! I personally don't believe the prisoners were abused. Humiliated maybe. Seen Mr. Berg lately? Thats abuse. I'm sorry an eye for an eye, we weren't hacking heads off!

I am a US Marine and I can tell you that accoording to UCMJ and Geneva convention they were indeed abused and their rights were violated.

Youa re right however Mr. Berg's beheading was a far excessive response. I dobut it was a response it all though, it probably would have been done regardless.

What I find funny is the the Berg beheading was in NO WAY a response to the abuse. In fact after they beheaded him they gave a statement that said that his beheading was because we did not give in to their earlier demands to let prisoners go.

The fact that almost every news source reported that this was in response to the prisoner abuse shows EXACTLY how the liberal media works in this country. They will throw whatever spin they need on a story to both get attention and to fill their agenda.

Reporting that the Berg beheading was in response to the prisoner abuse is a perfect example of how both the media and the liberals are as much of a threat, and enemy, to America as are the terrorists.

"I am a US Marine and I can tell you that accoording to UCMJ and Geneva convention they were indeed abused and their rights were violated."

Well, *I've never* been apart of the military at all...But it doesn't take a military personal (nor a rocket scientist for that matter) to know and assume this treatment was NOT approved by the Geneva convention. It's just (or at least should be) common sence.

Of course, I'm STILL not satisfied in knowing who these "detainees" were/are. When this story first broke, I tried reading about it in quite a few different articles to only read the same thing.....they were "detainees". Personnally, that doesn't tell me a whole lot. Were/are they accused terrorist? Were they *thought* to be *linked* to terrorists? Were they apart of Saddam's regime? *I* can't find anything specific nor have I had much time to do my "homework" since so mabey things have been cleared up a little since then and a miracle might occur to where I can find it.

"Youa re right however Mr. Berg's beheading was a far excessive response. I dobut it was a response it all though, it probably would have been done regardless."

I thought that from the moment I saw the news about it. Those people (in my opinion) would have done this regardless. They didn't "need" an excuse for behaving in a way that's "normal" to their way of life.