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The UN is nothing but a corrupt version of the league of nations. They dont and never will have the security of the United States in mind and John Kerry will turn our military over to the United Nations. We must get out of the UN now!

http://www.getusout.org/resources/index.htm

“I’m an internationalist. “I’d like to see our troops dispersed through the world only at the directive of the United Nations.”
- John Kerry, Feb 18, 1970

"I don't think the Russian or the French or the Chinese government would allow itself to be bought..." Annan said."

*cough* bull crap **cough, cough*....wheeeww! Pardon me. I Seem to be catching a little cold there.

If you could get the US out of earth it would be even better ...
The mass killings in Iraq occured mostly at the time Iraq was backed by the USA foreign policy. Many US companies did business with iraq and got their share of corruption.
All your ranting will not bring back the 1100 US soldiers dead now, not to mention the over 10000 thousands iraki civilians and all those that died of malnutrition because for 10 years the USA have kept on pushing for sanctions against Iraq, even though it had disarmed, not to mention the shiits whose revolt in 1991 was squashed with the tacit approval of the USA ...
When failure hits you it's of no use to try to put the blame on others.

"If you could get the US out of earth it would be even better ..."

Df...are you having a bad day?

Hey DF, those Iraqi's didn't die a malnutrition due to sanctions. The sanctions said they could exchange oil for food and medicine. So they died of malnutriotion cause instead of food Saddam was making cash and bribing your leader, half the UN ambassadors and half of Europe.

They died because the UN said we could not go in and get rid of Saddam in 1991.

Yes, many killings occurred when we backed Iraq...versus Iran. Geez...Iraq or Iran, tough choice there...

Get over it DF, maybe is Chirac wasn't taking his payoffs fewer Iraqi's would have died from malnutrition.

sorry buddies, but the oil for food program did not start in 1991, may be 1996 or sth. At the time the USA blocked a complete lift of the sanctions. The USA also prompted the withdrawal of UN inspectors 1st by using them to spy on Iraq 2nd by bombing Iraq in 1998.
Finally, the UN did not say you could not get inside Iraq. International Law says that. If you care at the time the French president Mitterand was backing the replacement of Saddam Hussein.
Bush senior refused to topple Saddam. His reasons ?
At the time he was saying there was now a New World Order, where Law would forever ban the Lawless use of the force. I suppose he could not use the invasion of Kuwait to replace a government however dictatorial.
May be he did not want Shiit to be free to join the Iran islamic revolution either. That's how Saddam was free to use his helicopters to crash shiits, but could not use them against kurds ... Kurds remained semi independant from 1991 to now. Meanwhile the shiit revolt was severely repressed ...
The corruption case is just pointless. THere's not an oil or arm company that is not corrupting the leaders of the country it sells to. Not one that does not get part of the corruption money back and does not use it at home to finance political parties, leaders and meddle its way through any problems it may get. Oil is a dirty business. There's no way a tiny country could buy half of the UN ambassadors, half or europe, or France. There were clearly ties, and France was advocating the lift of sanctions because it had long had business there, because therefore somepeople were making profit out of it. All of this is well known. You can put it forward, it won't avoid the fact that no WMD were found, order and democracy remain to be build in Iraq, and all the process needed no hurry, no posturing and no dividing of the international community.

Bush was looking for a simple action that would be easily understood by its simply minded citizens.

He's now facing the Devil. The Devil is the details. Those with simple ideas refuse to face the Devil, they can't see It, and they end up in Hell.

That's what Iraq is going to look like if your administration continues to rely on faith and to refuse to face facts.

So i sum up. Voting for Bush, is voting for Hell.

disparaging the UN is like spitting on the grave of all the allied soldiers who died in WWII.

"Think Locally, Act Globally" - George Bush II

i was just thinking about my last comment re: the UN and the Allies and suddenly it all made sense when I remembered that the context of traditional Bush family values is the Nazi values and the Nazi money that Prescott Bush used to plant the seed of the Bush Monarchy.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/092604A.shtml

Of course Bush is anti-UN, he is pro-Nazi.

I am so not suprised you are in favor of the UN, Bennyhill.

Yeah, well, some of my familiy died in combat during WWII in hopes that in the future no one nation would again use their advanced technology to unilatterally 'pre-empt' and impose their 'values' on sovereign nations, as the Nazis did.

PS: ever notice how the Superfriends Hall of Justice resembles the UN.

Umm no, your family members died so that people could be free to choose there own destiny rather than a dictator tell them how it would be done, and also so a psychotic dictator would no longer kill jews for their genes.

I'm glad to see sky, that you can decide what other people died for.
That's great !

DF: LOL - glad im not the only one to see the irony in skywalkers staement

Well I don't really see this as Ironic. But rather really offensive. People know what they die for, nobody should steal that to them, and tell them what they were meaning.
But Benny I'm not sure you asked your family members what they fought for. I hope you have. If not my remark to sky applies to you.
May be your relatives did not want to die, may be they felt forced, may be they had other reasons than those you two gave. In any case there is no way you can use their deaths 50 years ago for your political opinions now, unless you have direct access to their opinion at the time.

"Well I don't really see this as Ironic. But rather really offensive"

We offended DF!!!! Hooray!!

Everytime we offend DF on muddysmind, an angel gets their wings.....

"But Benny I'm not sure you asked your family members what they fought for. I hope you have."

They probably died because of Frances unwillingness to defend its own land.

"May be your relatives did not want to die, may be they felt forced,"

This proves my point. Maybe your relatives should have done what the French did in WWII. Let someone else fight for them. Then piss on them when they leave.

Look to the west DF. If you look close enough maybe you will see me giving you the finger, you french bas*ard.

LOL!

"Everytime we offend DF on muddysmind, an angel gets their wings....."

Personally, I don't even *try* to offend him....I think it just comes naturally for me. Speaking of natural talent...."an angel gets their wings", huh? LOL!! The things you come up with...it's almost scary.:-)

"If you look close enough maybe you will see me giving you the finger,"

I thought that was you.

Looks like both sides have taken a part of the truth to stand on. Why can't we all just get along. :-(

don't worry cwilli, you're so pathetic nothing you can do or say may ever offend me. You're just a lost soul.

But sky could know better.

Let's watch these four more years. It will be fun.

When did this oil war started? It began a lot time ago, much earlier than Iraq`s war. That`s for sure.

"True peace is merely the absence of tension, but the presence of justice."
--Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

The above-mentioned quote truly depicts the status which the Bush administration is trying desperately to achieve. Thus, Kofi Annan, the former secretary-general of the U.N. was correct despite other political, or supposedly representative, sentiments. Homeland Security, in essence, is the security on physical bounds, but not towards a democratic protection. It is pathetic shame that those who left comments on this specific blog still don't capture a clear understanding as to how democratic philosophy truly takes shape. We are the only force, as the governing people, who can protect our own physical and socio-economical means.
Second, Annan has the right and well-deserved gull to say, just like the rest of some ignorant and gullible American cowards, that peace can't be attained through means of commercialized warfare but through the people's willingness to fight for revelation of truth. Again, I am talking about the capacity of the governed. We just can't sit back and be tantalized by the temptation to believe and stomach this self-centered and undemocratic aspect of American federalism.
I have one question to leave with future commentators: What good is America if we just sit back and accept mindless hindrance, not letting what is right rank over what is politically correct? There is no power which makes invincible authenticity real, than a sound and immutable revelation of truth!!

Iraq is not a tiny country, it is the size of france by the way

This war, or better said, conflict is truly devestating the U.S. and all its citizens, not to mention the poor people of Iraq, who are under constat fear of death and oppression. This war was never even sanctioned by congress. Iraq never even invaded U.S. soil, making this war truly unconstitutional.

This war or i might say conflict is effecting us islanders as well. Micronesian's serving in the armed forced died and the soldiers that escorted him back into the isalnds were not the one's that recruited them. I belief that the recruiters should be the one's escorting their recruits back when they die so that they can see the pain that every family of a dead soldier has. this war is a war that was meant for Bin Laden and yet the US armed forces are being let into Iraq to fight for fuel. are the lifes of the victims of 9/11 that complicated? the US armed forces don't know what they are doing they just listen to other people telling them what to do.

I guess some people are okay with the fact that there are terrorists just itching to bomb our country again. And that's okay because god forbid anyone have a different view-point than the terrorists. Why is it we are trying to get a hate-crime bill(which we already had, since this country was founded)which won't allow any Christians to express their view, but it's okay for terrorists to come and speak at our colleges? Does this make any sense whatsoever? I'm not racist, or sexist and I really don't care what Joe Schmo believes in, I'm just tired of everyone arguing over everything. I don't think this war really should have been started, but it would be suicide if we pulled out now. Might I also mention that our soldiers CHOSE to go. They chose to join the army, the marines, etc. Knowing that it was a possibility that we may go to war. I'm tired of people complaining about the war, bringing down moral, and being completely rude to some of the people serving the country. We need to support our soliders, no matter our view on the war, instead of tearing them down. It makes no sense.

Well it's so evidend that someone here wants to gain, by using so inhuman means as in coursing war and instability in Iraq. The only reason why US is doing all these is to keep the poor country distructed from development matters, and eventually of course to have power over it because of it's oil. Please have mercy and mind the lifes by keeping off Iraq

Ok, does any think about the soldiers and their families? All we ever hear about is the Iraqies and how much they have to deal with. But what about the wives or husbands who have to raise children by themselves, mothers who have to give birth without their husband there, or the mothers who have to worry every moment of everyday about if their sons or daughters will come home. Think about all the men and women who put their lives on the line to keep all of us safe while you whine about how much the war is costing us. The price of freedom is the highest of all for it is paid for in blood.

Ok, does any think about the soldiers and their families? All we ever hear about is the Iraqies and how much they have to deal with. But what about the wives or husbands who have to raise children by themselves, mothers who have to give birth without their husband there, or the mothers who have to worry every moment of everyday about if their sons or daughters will come home. Think about all the men and women who put their lives on the line to keep all of us safe while you whine about how much the war is costing us. The price of freedom is the highest of all for it is paid for in blood.

Well put Bethany.

Here's something to think about...How can we call those people from 911 terrorists when were doning the same thing they did to use back to them. The US/Bush are sending our soliders to iraq to destroy the country that they built as their own. If they have been living their lives in this manner for all of these years then thats the way they want to live. Bush needs to think more of how he is damanging the families of the US by sending there parents,friends, and children off to the war. Yes I know that they joined the army, marines, ect. b/c they wanted to fight for their country but in the same sentence they wanted to fight for something they believed was right. Some people in Iraq that is fighting for our country don't even believe in what they are doing. They believe they are fighting for nothing, and they have a point we're fighting for them to have freedom in their country when most people over there don't even want freedom. They want the US soliders to leave their country alone. It's such a shame that many families are being torn up over a war that really has no meaning. When will teh madness end!!!!!

"The US/Bush are sending our soliders to iraq to destroy the country that they built as their own."

Normally I wouldn't waste my time with a moron like you but unfortunately....I'm just in that mood.

You're completely full of shit. First off, QUIT listening to the news media. They're just as full of shit as you (and a few other posters) are. Secondly, Sadaam "insain" Husein(sp) destroyed Iraq on his own (justice was served on him though). Iraqis were terrified under him. He treated his people HORRIBLY. WE are trying to give their country (and their lives) BACK to them.

It doesn't matter what I write though, people like you who don't even have two brain cells to rub together will NEVER understand that so this comment of mine is useless.

Oh, and btw....

"How can we call those people from 911 terrorists when were doning the same thing they did to use back to them."

OK....I know I'm tired but I do believe you're calling us (American's) terrorists?! If you think so "highly" of your country and fellow country men as nothing more that terrorists then what from the pitts of hell keeps you living here. Delta loves to fly - and it shows! Pack your bags and let them fly you to any other destination in the world - then stay there.

The point of the war was not meant to set a government for iraq. The point of the war in iraq was first because of the oil that iraq has and second because america is getting too greedy after the invasion of mexico so they are wanting the wrest of the world.

ARE STUDENT FROM AFRICA ALLOWED TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS AUGUST COMPETITION

First of all I cannot say that I was completely against this war from the start.... I mean no one can say they were against it.9/11 filled my heart with hate and I wanted "Iraq" or whoever did this to suffer,but I did not want Bush to send our troops, our fellow Americans , our family, over to Iraq and leave them to fight a war that really was not for the cause they believed they were going over for.BRING THEM BACK!!

Why saying yes or No regarding continuing the war in Iraq. It is normal that to declare war against Iraq after what happens to New YorK City on 9/11, this affects our country very badly. In the other hand, after doing the math how many lives that we lost, how much money we owe to China and other countries. Is that a yes or a No. When would we be able pay these debts. This would get our economy down. In addition we have a lot of families who are suffering from loosing sons and daughters. I think it is a No. Who ever who wants to continue with the war, can they provide everything to support the war, it is unfair to borrow money to make or continuing the war.

The religion,Islam believe in peace.So every religions should do peaceful work, not 'war'.

"Why saying yes or No regarding continuing the war in Iraq." "I think it is a No."

Cut and run, eh? What a GREAT policy! And while we're at it, why don't we just carve the words "losers" into our foreheads because that'a EXACTLY what we'll be to our enemies.

All wars are bloody and unfortunately take TIME. We American's are not known for patients and it shows in many ways including when some (mostly the "leaders" of the democrat party) in this country talk about "pulling out" before the job is done. Our enemy has patients to see this through....I think it's IMPERITIVE that we meet them at the VERY least at that same level and exceed them in it.

"The religion,Islam believe in peace.So every religions should do peaceful work, not 'war'."

First off - Jesus Christ taught His followers (later to be labled *Christians*) peaceful ways too - LONG before your religion was developed. Of course, Jesus kicked but when He had to - like running the money changers out of the temple and putting them in their place because they were buying and selling things in a house of worship.

Secondly - This is a war of terroism NOT a "religious" war or a holy war like the extremists who've apparently hijacked your religion think it is and are trying to make it to be.

Extremely horrible how this causes fight for oil.

Well Iraq war --a greatly debated topic of 21st century is futile and is not going to yield any result in favour of mankind.Power(i.e. AMERICA) is going to be benefitted at the cost of making several families gloomy.

Gee these people never learn ... We re in 2007 and you still believe the war in iraq is about terrorism ?
Found any links between saddam and Al quaeda ? NOpe.
Provided a training ground for AL Quaeda and a way for Al quaeda to drain away all US ressources... You bet.

The US have lost all their prestige with this war. They have proved, again, that a mighty army is power less against a population determined to have it leave.
The result so far is around 1 million iraki deaths a few millions displaced all this just in order to allow BUsh to brag that he did get saddam...

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