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how close is 30 000 dollars to the millions that halliburton got ?

Please USA, leave the UNO. If you could leave earth that would be even better.

"If you could leave earth that would be even better."

Ok, but if we did....who would be left for you to "trifle" with? You would have *quite* the dull and meaningless existence now, wouldn't you....

"If you could leave earth that would be even better."

Hey DF, take that back now before I "rm -rf" you.
Your socialist ass would be speaking Dutch right now if the British, Canadians and Americans (not to mention the few French resistance fighters with balls to stand up and fight) had not freed viva la France. STFU with all this America hate crap.
I will be the first to say I'm frustrated with your leadership as you seem to be with ours. WTF does that have to do with the "People" of our countries???
I do happen to have people I like and talk to in France, grow the hell up and realize just because you don't like Bush, Hollywood or other aspects of America the whole damn place needs to "leave earth".

There is a difference DF, haliburton isn't owned by the son of a high ranking political official. Also, name another US company that does what they do?

DF, with all that American hate it must really bother you that it was American blood that has kept your primary lanquage from being German.

So do us all a favor and 'gehen Sie zur Hölle'!

DF, with all that American hate it must really bother you that it was American blood that has kept your primary lanquage from being German.

So do us all a favor and 'gehen Sie zur Hölle'!

LOL! Gee....and here *I* was trying to hold *My* tongue. Should have said what I *really* felt.:-D

Ya know...perhaps DF stands for something? I mean his initials, not him...DF Could mean DUMB F>>><...obviously he lacks the balls to actually stand for anything.

The expression "biting the hand that feeds you" comes to mind when I think of this type of euro-trash.

I didn't agree with the US attack of Iraq...still don't...but I agree with cwilli, muddy and mrs. muddy...show some freakin appreciation, common sense and lose the accent, Inspector.

Ya know...perhaps DF stands for something? I mean his initials, not him...DF Could mean DUMB F>>><...obviously he lacks the balls to actually stand for anything.

The expression "biting the hand that feeds you" comes to mind when I think of this type of euro-trash.

I didn't agree with the US attack of Iraq...still don't...but I agree with cwilli, muddy and mrs. muddy...show some freakin appreciation, common sense and lose the accent, Inspector.

Whew! Marty...little fiesty today?

Come on boys...
Who are the kids in here ?

Why are you asking for the USA to leave the UNO ?
Because you can't admit that the United states of america can be held responsible for any harm they do abroad.
You want to be left the hell alone.

So when I'm asking you to leave earth this is just a reply to your request.
You want to be left alone ... Well ok then, but leave us alone in return for god's sake.

Leave Korea Iraq europe, japan, philipines ... And you'll find the world a lot less agressive towards your country.

The UNO as an organisation has flaws, there is no doubt about that. But coming from people who have backed the iraq intervention your complaints are meaningless.

Bush is tied to all the oil companies with interests in iraq, carlyle group in first position. The money amounts to thousands of time the amount involved in the UNO scandal ... Not to mention the death toll ...

The question is rather simple : do you americans agree that you are part of this earth ?

If so, stop building walls to protect yourself from everything "unamerican". Stop spending more on the military than the rest of the world; stop polluting more by american citizen than any other country, stop depriving non american of the basic human right ...

START TO BEHAVE.

Cause if you don't, sooner or later the rest of the world will need to quick you out.

ANd my bet is it won't be through military means. Just like the soviet union fell because of the flaws of statism. The USA are going to fell because of the flaws (and the laws) of the markets.
The asset economy (it was called speculation in the past...) will nail you better than any nuclear bomb.

Start to think. And grow.
It's just the same with the old "kerry is a traitor" ... If you don't want to be under attack, stop attacking in the first place.

"Come on boys..."

????
Did I get a sex change and not know it? Boy, is Muddy in for a surprise!

"Why are you asking for the USA to leave the UNO ?
Because you can't admit that the United states of america can be held responsible for any harm they do abroad."

NO....because they're corrupt and therefore puts them in a position where they make decisions that better themselves - not to mention their wallets - instead of the rest of the world.

"The UNO as an organisation has flaws,"

That's like saying...the Elfel Tower is "a little tall."

"Stop spending more on the military than the rest of the world;"

we actually do both. However, our military is *our* responsibility and so it only makes sence *we* take care of it. As far as the *world* goes, we are NOT responsible for taking care of them (though, in situations such as Afganistan and Iraq where we are helping them to get back on their feet...then, yeah, I believe it *is* our responsiblility), however, we do it because we care and we actually want to help them.

"START TO BEHAVE."

This coming from a guy who lives in a country who's leaders took bribes from Saddam himself? Start to behave? Good one....try again.

Lets point how where DF is wrong;

"Stop spending more on the military than the rest of the world"

We feed more countries than any other nation on earth, especially France. Who, by the way, does very little for other countries. Again, DF your a hyprocrite.

"stop polluting more by american citizen than any other country"

Wrong again, DF. China produces pollution more than any other country in the world and continues to grow. But since China is willing to sell you arms, thats ok with France, isnt that right DF. In fact, since China is France's new buddy (more like a parasite connected to China's ass) you wont be saying much in the way of correcting them anytime soon. In fact your precious Kyoto protocol classifies China as a growing economy and therefore does NOTHING to stop the pollution, meanwhile the United States gets punished at a rate faster than any other country, yet we clearly are not polluting the most. No suprise since the Kyoto's main goal is to punish the US by seperating us from our money. Just another example of how you dont know that facts.

"stop depriving non american of the basic human right"

So tell me DF, as a non-American, what basic rights have we deprived from you? Thats right, NONE! In fact, the rights you have are a gift from us. Your welcome, you ungreatfull Frenchmen.

"START TO BEHAVE."

You mean like France? No thank you, I take showers to often for that. I also have morals that dont include doing anything for money, no matter how many Iragi's go hungry because of it. How does it feel to know you live in a country that slowly starved millions of Iraqi's just for a little of Saddams money?

You should be ashamed of your toilet of a country DF. I know I am.

The sad part is that if WWII was today, we would STILL help you.

You should do more research before you open your mouth. You CLEARLY dont know what you are talking about. Your just another Dumb Frenchmen. Wait, so thats what DF stands for;

Dumb Frenchmen

I just wanted to apologize for what I said before. I actually love America. In fact, I have an American flag on my wall at home. I make my friends call me Bob and I watch baseball games all the time.

The reason that I am so hostile is that I actually hate my country. Everybody here smells funny and eats snails. If I hear another person say 'wee, wee', I am going to shoot someone. Not to mention that my country is being overrun by Muslims. There everywhere! They laugh at me and makes jokes about me in their own language!

I keep having this reocurring dream that I was born in America, but then I wake up to my own sad life.....

I am so sad, please accept my apoligies.

I LOVE AMERICA!

???????
O-kaaayyyy....who *really* posted that?

not me :-)

Angry posts lead to angry posts. That was my point. From the start.

AS far as I know the US federal government is corrupt to the bone. All elected officials have to gather funds mostly from companies. Many scandals have occured. Remember Enron, big GOP funder, big beneficiary of GOP policies of deregulation ... Do any of you have advocated leaving the US federal government ?

No because you care about how the all thing is managed.

AS far as I know France is involved militarily in :
Ivory coast, Bosnia, afganhistan and other countries.
It spends more as a prorata of its budget for international aid than the USA.

And of course France action could be bettered.

China is more than 5 times the population of the USA, it does not pollute even 2 times the pollution of the USA. In many areas it pollutes less. ANd most important it has been polluting the earth for much less time than the USA. If china is to pollute less it has to be lead to believe it is possible. If the rich guy makes no effort what so ever to pollute less, why should the poor guy make any effort to do so. It will imitate the rich guy do just the same. So you can expect China to pollute 5 times more than the USA at present level, when their GDP will match the present one. Is that what you wish ?

The USA have not ratified the Kyoto protocol in order to escapte any harm done to their precious economy. Seems their economy is more important than the Earth.

Many innocents so called "ennemy combattants" are being right now deprived of their basic human rights in guantanamo :
right to a lawyer, right to access to the charges, right to fair detention practices (no naked stuff, loud speakers, beatings and other practices tantamount to torture when systematically applied).

if the UNO is so corrupt, so unfair, so etc. How come so many democratic leaders like it ? Europe, India, Japan, Korea, Canada, mexico, south america ... I don'tknow if I should put russia in the list.

May be it's because it's far better than having no organisation to tackle world's problem. May be it's because they know any attempt to live behind a wall in global world is doomed to fail.

DF stands for
Definetely French

And you would be so kind as to note that I have never used half the hate speech used by most of you on this website.

dont worry DF, you just seeing "compassionate" conservatism for all its worth.

i mean if it wasnt for those stinky cheese eating, sauvigon blanc drinking, french anti americans, there wouldnt be a United States to bail out those french that cant fight their own wars.

you french bastards better be happy people like ben franklin and thomas jefferson went and lobbied france for their financial and military support during our revolutionary war.

so any time you anti american, triple creme brie eating, french liberals start talking about america, you remember who helped who first damnt.

Actually mooseboy, your statement about us not being here if not for the French is not wholly true. The american war for independence was a war of attritrion. All the colonials had to do to win was out last the British morale. Same thing for the south in the civil war and the viet cong/north vietnamese in the vietnam war.

By the time the French arrived in any meaningful way, the war was nearly won. British morale was long broken and the British government realized that a war being fought to recoup money spent on a war, was costing them far more than they could ever hope to recoup.

Lee nearly did the same thing to Lincoln. The Vietnamese did it to the american government although the issue there wasn't money, it was purely morale.

The British would have lost their empire had they continued the fight much longer and they knew it. Were it not that the majority of colonials were against the war, Washington could have won the war without winning a single battle.

The French contribution was really a minor thing in the scope of it.

On the other hand, without US help in WW2 (WW1 is very debateable), the French would not be the French any more. That is a hands down fact.

The whole purpose of lobbying the French was they figured it would enable them to win a war that at the time they thought unwinnable by using a country they knew was constantly at war with the British. They also thought it would harm British morale.

DF, what the hell is hate speech? How do you know what someone thinks when they say it? I can say "You're a @$$#0|3!" But that doesn't mean I hate you. That's an idiotic term.

Compassionate conservatism? Hooey, I'm not a conservative and I am damn well not compassionate.

Hey DF, You might want to looka t the economic repurcussions of the annihilation of the US economy. Because that's what will happen if we ratify Kyoto. And you know damn well, that the repurcussions will extend far past our borders.

Sorry, the UN memebers were taking bribes under the table, that's quite different from political donations which are PUBLIC and are a form of free speech. There is a fine line between free speech and bribery.

Atlanta City Council is a fine example. For years, the airport has been used to pay off political contributors. Contracts are awarded to people who bidded the highest and had the worst reputations but hadn't made any public political contributions. They had given city council member's and mayor's sons and daughters jobs though.

Dude, since when is a right to a lawyer a basic human right? Since when is a charge of than "You're a terrorist" a basic human right? Get over it,t hat's a bunch of hooey and oyu know it.

Most of the scandals that have occurred df, such as enron, had nothing to do with poltiical leaders. So, that's crap.

Geez, you're mouths are moving but all I hear is bull crap coming out.

"Actually mooseboy, your statement about us not being here if not for the French is not wholly true."

Come one Sky, You know from previous posts that Mooseboy is only interested in the part of the truth that goes to prove his point, not the entire truth.

"Geez, you're mouths are moving but all I hear is bull crap coming out."

Because thats all they have. Oh my, I guess that not how a compassionate conservative would talk now is it? Thats ok because I would never label someone, that isnt how we touchy feely types work, is it? Good thing I dont fall into either catagory.

Hey Mooseboy, If you dont like the house, why do you still live in it? I am sure that the cheese eaters will take you in....

The "anhilation" of the US economy will come anyway through bankrupcy. And I know damn well the global consequences. ALl the countries in the world are keeping afloat the US consumer right now. Too big to fall... will fall anyway.

A right to a lawyer is a basic human right yes. Right to a fair trial.

If you think there s no problem with companies donating millions to politicians, as long as they do it publicly ... Welll that's your country man.
The californians might feel otherwise. energy companies got the legislation they asked for, they frauded, then they helped the election of schwarzenneger and he settled the trial for a few pennies ... But since everything has been public... no problem. Same with enron, Ken Lay got the legislation he needed, he got the privatisation of many energy utilities, he turned it all into a disaster and it took years before his case was investigated ... But there is no pb.
Everything was public.

Welll I tell you what, if the irakis had had any chance to give publicly money to UN officials, as a "form of free speech", they would have done it.

They corrupted anyone they could. Agreed. That includes Annan's son.

Agreed. May be Annan should be forced to step down, if a link is made with his son.
But that would not change the need for the UNO, and more generally for a democratic world government.
The UNO is far from being perfect, a lot has to be done before it turns into a democratic world government. But so far it is the best we have at hand, and it's much better than the "let me take as much as I can grab" approach.

"They corrupted anyone they could. Agreed. That includes Annan's son.

Agreed. May be Annan should be forced to step down, if a link is made with his son.
But that would not change the need for the UNO, and more generally for a democratic world government.
The UNO is far from being perfect, a lot has to be done before it turns into a democratic world government. But so far it is the best we have at hand, and it's much better than the "let me take as much as I can grab" approach. "

If that would have been your original response than you would have been debated in a respectful manner. Everyone is entittled to their own opinion, a basic right that not every country has.

But instead you chose to verbally attack us and our country.

"And you would be so kind as to note that I have never used half the hate speech used by most of you on this website"

Oh, so attacking our country does not count.

Hypocrite.

we would have won the revolutionary war without france? where do you come up with this.

all wars ARE wars of attrition so that is a moot point. in every war the victor always outlast the other side at the end of the day.

if my memory serves me correctly, it was ben franklin going to france in 1776 after the declartion of independence to muster support from he government. they may have not had direct contribution to the war early, but without frances money and navy, there is NO way the united states would be a country. the militias did not have a navy that could compete with the british. nor did they have the funds. the french support was there from the very begining.

No, not all wars are wars of attritrion. And I implied that it was attrition of morale and money.

A nuclear war is certainly not a war of attrition. Terrorism is not a war of attrition. Guarilla warfare is not attrition. Mooseboy, you know squat about warfare.

Sorry, French support was not there from the beginning, that is a distinct falsehood.

I said if you wanted to leave the UN, you could as well leave earth in the same process. is that hate speeche. Let me quote some of your replies :

take that back now before I "rm -rf" you.
Your socialist ass

DF Could mean DUMB F>>><...obviously he lacks the balls to actually stand for anything.

Dumb Frenchmen

Hypocrite.

All these are personal attacks.

i don't think it is possible to debate in a respectful with people who want to leave the UNO. The subject in itself is offensive.
If there were some real grounds for leaving the UNO, or if we were talking about some minor country, it might be different. But this is different. You are asking for the US right to do anything it wants outside of any international law. You're not asking for a better international organisation. You just don't want any. You want to rule by shock and awe.

How can you expect a respectful debate, when what you are asking for is precisely the end of all debates, the submission of all countries to the united states, and it's god enlightened president.

The UNO is the place for international debates. And you want to suppress it. And rule by force. So don't mess everything up. Asking to leave the UNO is a direct agression on the rest of the world. If the USA ever leave the UNO, the world will know what they're worth, and buy more weapons.

DF, Your wrong.

The UN is a self serving organization. Who else would put Syria in charge of human rights?

It amazes me how you can put the US down when we hand out more money to help other countries than anybody else (especially France). Then hold the UN up on high glory, when they have never fixed one situation. Everytime the UN gets involved, things get worst. Your blindness amazes me.

The UN is worthless and corrupt.

The reason you feel that we should not leave the UN is because you know that if the US did leave the UN, then the UN would no longer have a military or any money to spend.

You say we should stop spending so much money on our military, well that money goes to help the UN as well.

Its safe to say that without the US, there would be no UN. So screw you for being so arrogant to think that you can take our money, our military and tell us that a foreign entity should be able to tell us what to do. That is a socialist, DF, not a personal attack, but an simple observation. You just mad because France has no power, no money and no future without making itself a parasite to a bigger stronger country. So if you cant beat them, hate them.

Besides, the UN takes political sides on things when they should not. Their hate policy's on Isreal are a prime example.

So far Israel occupies the palestinian territories. Not the opposite. The UN is right to oppose to this. In fact the main reason why there is no peace in middle east is because the USA have been backing israel ever since 1967 and have never forced it to leave these occupied territories.

The UNO has helped the resolution of many difficult situations. Israel's invasion of lebanon, Iraq's invasion of kuwait, it has helped the resolution of numerous african conflicts, it has provided several services protecting commodity prices, UNESCO world site, discussing fishing rights and so on.
Very often, selfish and narrowminded government of the countries have refused to work together and turned it into a forceless body. It remains THEIR fault.

Each year the USA are borrowing 600 billions to the rest of the world. THis month the USA had a trade deficit of 55 billions. So if any body is taking some money to the other, it is the USA.
In fact the USA are borrowing ever growing amounts of cash in a devaluing currency and pay very low interests... THe only reason this is possible is because Asia is willing to sell ever more to the USA, even if they will never repay the debt.

As far as the US being the biggest donor, I wonder where you got that figure. It must be along the other lies like the WDM in Iraq (you're about the only one remaining on this earth convinced that there ever were WMD in Irak)

Here are the figures

http://www.economist.com/markets/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=523567

In 1970 the United Nations adopted an international target for official aid, recommending that donor countries give 0.7% of their national income in foreign assistance. Today only four countries meet that target: the Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden and Norway. Denmark is the most generous, giving aid worth more than 1% of GDP in 1999 (the latest year for which OECD figures are available). In absolute terms, Japan was by far the most generous donor, giving away over $15 billion. But that represented 0.35% of its GDP, only half what the UN would like. The second biggest donor, the United States, gave just 0.1% of its GDP in aid. To achieve the UN goal, America would have had to give aid of $65 billion—seven times as much as its actual contribution and far more than the total donations made by the all the countries in our chart.

Next time you come up with alleged facts, try to source them, because as usual, they are false.

I checked for 2003 numbers. And there US is the biggest donnor ... Yet
1 a big chunk of it is caused by the US invasion of Iraq (2 billions)
2 the USA are still donating very little as a percentage of GDP.
3 Europe as a whole is donating more than twice the amount the USA are donating.

ANy way this is not the main problem. The main problem is the harm done to the earth by the policies of united states of america. Pollution first, speculation second, And i would add instability in the middle east.

source
http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRelated/Debt/USAid.asp#Almostallrichnationsfailthisobligation

http://www.oecd.org/document/22/0,2340,en_2649_201185_31504022_1_1_1_1,00.html

ODA in U.S. Dollars (Millions) ODA as GNP Percentage
Country 2000 2001 2002 2003 2000 2001 2002 2003
1. Norway 1,264 1,346 1,746 2,043 0.8 0.83 0.91 0.92
2. Denmark 1,664 1,599 1,632 1,747 1.06 1.01 0.96 0.84
3. Netherlands 3,075 3,155 3,377 4,059 0.82 0.82 0.82 0.81
4. Luxembourg 116 142 143 189 0.7 0.8 0.78 0.8
5. Sweden 1,813 1,576 1,754 2,100 0.81 0.76 0.74 0.7
6. Belgium 812 866 1,061 1,887 0.36 0.37 0.42 0.61
7. Ireland 239 285 397 510 0.3 0.33 0.41 0.41
8. France 4,221 4,293 5,182 7,337 0.33 0.34 0.36 0.41
9. Switzerland 888 908 933 1,297 0.34 0.34 0.32 0.38
10. United Kingdom 4,458 4,659 4,749 6,166 0.31 0.32 0.3 0.34
11. Finland 371 389 466 556 0.31 0.33 0.35 0.34
12. Germany 5,034 4,879 5,359 6,694 0.27 0.27 0.27 0.28
13. Canada 1,722 1,572 2,013 2,209 0.25 0.23 0.28 0.26
14. Spain 1,321 1,748 1,608 2,030 0.24 0.3 0.25 0.25
15. Australia 995 852 962 1,237 0.27 0.25 0.25 0.25
16. New Zealand 116 111 124 169 0.26 0.25 0.23 0.23
17. Portugal 261 267 282 298 0.26 0.25 0.24 0.21
18. Greece 216 194 295 356 0.19 0.19 0.22 0.21
19. Japan 13,062 9,678 9,220 8,911 0.27 0.23 0.23 0.2
20. Austria 461 457 475 503 0.25 0.25 0.23 0.2
21. Italy 1,368 1,493 2,313 2,393 0.13 0.14 0.2 0.16
22. United States 9,581 10,884 12,900 15,791 0.1 0.11 0.12 0.14
Source: OECD Web site

"checked for 2003 numbers. And there US is the biggest donnor ... Yet"

However you choose to justify it to yourself, DF.....

I say we dont give a dime to anyone. You want us to stay out of everyones business, I say we do just that....

Lol.
THe USA give about 0,15 % of GDP.
And spend more than 3% on military bullying the rest of the world.

Staying out of other people's business does not mean helping less, it means bullying less. Less world scale pollution, less coup d'etat in democratic countries, less invasion of independant countries.

As your president put it "the american way is not debatable".

I just interpret it the other way :
The world can not tolerate anymore that some live beyond their means, polluting the future and bullying their way through history.
Time has come for a change.

The american way, just as the communist way is bound to die.

"The american way, just as the communist way is bound to die."

DF, I completely disagree with you as usual. However at this point I have grown weary of debating this issue with you, expecially in lite of the fact that I have zero respect for the opinions of you or the French people.

Your country is a parasite that attaches itself to whatever country will feed it for a while. France is mad because we invaded Iraq (your host) and took away your private source of income.

The funny thing is that last year when France had that horrible heat wave and it killed hundreds, we used part of our GDP to help you people, DF. Since we give such a considerable smaller portion of our GDP than anyone else, why could you have not helped yourself????

HMMMM, its ok, DF. We will continue to help you even though you stab us in the back. Thats the American way....

The American way will not die. You will see that. We are to engenious for that. We have something that you dont, its called pride. I am sure there is no French word for pride, so you may want to try dictionary.com for its meaning.

Also need I mention that your on an American website? Your speaking English, and your using the Internet that our military invented?

Sounds like envy to me. Its ok DF, you can come here if you want. We dont have 10% unemployment like France. I cant promise you wont get your a@s beat for being an idiot, but you can still live here.

Next year we will spend more than 5% of our GDP on our military!!!!

GOD BLESS THE UNITED STATES!!!

Any country could get 6% unemployment with the level of debt of the USA and 2% of the population in prison.
I don't recall any special help of the USA during that heat of 2003 and I wonder what it could have been (climatizers ?). Anyway this kind of help in times of trouble is natural and goes both ways. I came with flowers at the US embassy on 9/11/2001.

The american way of life is not related to pride it is related to overspending. Not finishing plates. Using huge cars to drive 200 meters away, over watering fields, greens, taking baths instead of showers, eating junk food, overworking to buy useless products overadvertised on overwatched TV. This is a drive full speed to the exhaustion of the only planet earth we have.

Main effect of the 2003 heat wave : more climatizers in France.
Main effect of climatizers : more C02 production and more heating of the climate.

They say at this rythm by 2100 2003 will look a cold summer and paris will be completely under water.

My hope is that the american way of life will have died before this happens. I just hope some people are going to reallise that the economy is less important than the planet, and that pollution is creating more damages and pollution controls.

"paris will be completely under water."

One can only hope, DF. I can only hope.....

So you will be happy when paris will be under water ...
OK ... you get the fun you can.
But of course you have to realise that this is GLOBAL warming. So it will include other cities located on rivers in the temperated regions.
In fact most cities are located along rivers. So this will probably include New york and many other US cities.
But may be you'll find it fun too ... After all those living in cities are all liberals ...

So you will be happy when paris will be under water ...

uh, yea actually. Of course I dont want anyone to actually die. I guess the only think that would make me happier than that would be to see France overun by Muslims.

I guess thats already happening. :>)

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/chitribts/20041219/ts_chicagotrib/islamshapinganeweurope

You're such a joke Cwilli !
You've raised the point over and over ... I wonder why you're so afraid of muslims ...

Anyway, I told you the US will be a spanish speaking country before France is overrun by muslims.
My bet is more and more christians will turn to buddhism. I see it among my friends.

I wish you get a brain and a heart for christmas that my help.

Glad I can make you laugh, DF.

Your country is being overrun by Muslims. Its a known fact. Who said anything about being afraid of them?

"My bet is more and more christians will turn to buddhism. I see it among my friends"

BWAHAHAHAHA

Yea that happens all the time.....

Thanks, that was a good one...