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from the little I've seen you just may be correct.

i guess you think nixon was a stand up kind of guy who was just being attacked by liberals? thats what you would probably say if you were alive back then. what mark felt did was extrememly important. he showed that no person, even the president, is above the law. even if he broke the law to help take the president down.

Nixon and Felt canceled each other out. felt was the #2 guy after hoover so he was well adept at breaking laws and surveillance. by nixon choosing someone else, it made the fbi better and it put the nails in nixons coffin.

you show your naivate regarding the situation by saying he was, "hiding for 30 years like a little baby". felt very easily may have been killed. the nixon people surely would have painted him as digruntled for not getting the top job at the fbi. [which was true] but the fact remains your just speculating on what he Should have done. if it wasnt nixon being impeached, who knows how much longer the vietnam war would have lasted.

i agree felts was no man of character or a "hero", but what he did was Extremely important for this country.

maybe by him coming out now, hes sending Codes for all the other people to start blowing some of the many available whistles on bush and his crew.

"i guess you think nixon was a stand up kind of guy who was just being attacked by liberals?"

I guess you should probably re-read the part where skywalker pointed out:

"Was Nixon guilty? Yes indeed! There is no doubt left on that matter."

It's ok...I'm sure you just simply over looked that part.

Mooseboy, did you even read what I said? I think Nixon was guilty as sin. My parents, both of whom voted for Nixon by the way, said they thought he was guilty as sin at the time. Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever personally met someone who didn't think Nixon was guilty.

Nixon committed a crime (as did Bill Clinton BTW, in fact, he committed some of the same crimes Nixon was accused of committing.) His resignation was the right thing, but Felt usurped the justice system. He bypassed everything and what's worse is that he knew what he did was wrong. How much evidence did he himself taint by going to reporters instead of the DoJ. Why didn't he resign his post in protest?

This is not mentioning that he was quite the hypocrite.

Make no mistake, Felt only blew the whistle as a vendetta: he was getting passed over as the successor to Hoover.

Nixon, no matter how crooked, was a citizen and resident of this country and was entitled to the same protections as everyone else, protections which Felt usurped by going to reporters instead of the proper authorities. Further more, he hid it for 30 years until his family thought they could make money off of it and forced him to come out.

You think Nixon's potential for impeachment shortened Vietnam?! Newsflash, Nixon ran on removing troops from Vietnam. Nixon resigned on 9 AUG 1974. American troop withdrawal was 29 MAR 1974. The last American troops (embassy Marines) and most civilians were out by 1 MAY 1975.

That he may have been killed is irrelevant. He knew who he could trust and who he couldn't, and if there were no one, admitting it to reporters in plain sight was the only honorable way out. Doing the right thing can be tough and even dangerous. But difficulty isn't an excuse to weasel out of it.

"That he may have been killed is irrelevant. He knew who he could trust and who he couldn't, and if there were no one, admitting it to reporters in plain sight was the only honorable way out. Doing the right thing can be tough and even dangerous. But difficulty isn't an excuse to weasel out of it."

having been the #2 in the fbi, im sure he took part in a few assisnations himself. its easy to say 30 years later in the comfort of your home it was "ilirelevant" if he was killed, lol.

No it isn't. Ever had a gun to your head? I have and it isn't pleasant. Thus is life; if you want to do the right thing, some times it is done with a gun to your head. I can name more than one person who had a gun to their head and managed to do the right thing, some of them also paid with their lives.

And your view of government is beyond cynical, it's hysterical. Do you really believe that everything is a conspiracy?

Your comment to me indicates that you are person who lives in the "State of Fear" as Michael Crichton so eloquently refers to it. I live in the United States, care to apply for a visa?

i dont live in a state of fear, but i belive if you trust your government your pretty stupid.

one of the greatest quotes ive ever heard was from gore vidal, "i find those who dislike conspiracies the most are the conspirators."

I'm not saying, you shouldn't question your government, but they are your government. You help to elect them. If you can't establish some level of trust in the people who you help choose to govern you, then you are in some serious trouble. I mean seriously, you sounds like an anarchist if ever I've heard one (and I have, my best friend in high school was a no kidding, real deal anarchist.)

If they're liars and crooks, campaign against them and put someone better in office. Prove they're liars and crooks and don't just assume that they are constantly trying to screw you. Having met some of these people on a personal level, many if not most of them on both sides, are just trying to do the best they know how to do the job.

My favorite quote about cynicism:
"A cynic is not merely one who reads bitter lessons from the past, he is one who is prematurely disappointed in the future."-Sidney J. Harris

I don't think conspiracies do not exist...but I certainly don't believe in some mass governmental conspiracy or there is a massive right-wing conspiracy or a massive left-wing conspiracy. I find that notion silly. Why? Well, our government can't keep what the chairman of a given comittee's daughter's breakfast a secret, much less a conspiracy involving thousands upon thousands of people over various decades.

Sure there are corrupt people in power, who want nothing but more and more power. And sure, there are people who scheme-up million dollar boon doggles. That happens in the private sector too and it always has and always will. That's human nature and a part of life. But to go around assuming everyone was trying to screw me all the time would be a sorry way to live, not to mention it would be a sign to most people of extreme paranoia if not some deeper psychosis. But for some reason, believing that about government is normal? Give me a break! It's not normal it's a hysteria.

And Gore Vidal from my little experience with Gore Vidal, is an idiot.

Quoting Gore Vidal huh. I think that he is one person I would not be inclined to quote myself.

Cause he's a frreeaakkk ~

Wow, this site is awesome, although I'm not really into politics.

wow, isnt irony strange? im labeled a "cynic" and "anarchist" that belives in Wild and Crazy conspiracies because i said Felt may have been killed if he came out in the public.

well as it turns out, a Whistle blower who was going to testify to congress about los almos in NM, was nearly BEAT to DEATH a few days before he testified.

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/US/06/07/whistleblower.beaten.ap/

maybe you wont belive that story because it comes from the "liberal news network" but it just goes to show, people that want people quiet will do Whatever it takes to silence them. mark felt Very easily may have been killed and had a reason to maintain his silence.

but of course, im the anti american anarchist. the one who belives in crazy "conspiracies" and likes to quotes "idiots".

so go ahead, keep your head in teh sand.

And I said doing the right thing sometimes means taking risks.