I feel lately that I'm a small book trapped between two massive bookends who don't realize there is something between them.
After reading yet another hate filled series of writings (mostly the comments) at talkleft I realized something. The far left talks about their hatred of Christians and Republicans, and wants all of them to die. How is this American?
How can you call yourself an American when you don't want freedom and liberty for ALL ??
My God, how did a country created to rid ourselves of big government, oppression from the church of England and freedom end up with Big Government, oppression from the religion of Liberalism/Socialism and shrinking freedoms?
How different really are the far left and right? If you think about it. One part of the far right (KKK) wants to wipe out all people of color and Jews, part of the far left wants to wipe out people who claim Jesus is God and the far right.
How are the different?
It's funny if you break them down, they are the same kind human. The sick kind.
Ok, I'm done. Neither side is going to listen to reason any ways. After all they are just book holders. (The good stuff is in the middle) ;-)
Posted by Muddy at July 11, 2005 02:01 PMwhere do you come from comparing the "far left" to the KKK? what organizaiton or group of people is openly and actively saying that all christians should die? unless you belive the islamic clerics in saudi arabia are "far left" i think your way off base.
you know i must say, i never did care for people in the "middle." i have never met someone "in the middle" thats in the "middle." they are definately on one side or the other. i reckon 85% of the time people in "middle" are conservative, but for whatever reason, usually the anti-liberity religious right they call themselves in the "middle."
Posted by: mooseboy84 at July 11, 2005 06:32 PMI have heard many, many on the far left say they would like to have all Christians killed, removed or whatever term you like.
This is not a secret. I pity them.
Your sort of correct on the middle thing. It is more a slight lean to the right or left that makes the centrists such as myself. As I do not agree with the right or left entirely or even mostly.
If you can't see the general similarities between the far left and the far right, then I can't help you. It's obvious to those of us who are not on either side.
Your use of the term anti-liberty religious right is an oxymoron at best. While I don't doubt people like that exist, your theory that they make up the middle is quite humorous.
Posted by: Muddy at July 11, 2005 06:50 PMi think you didnt quite understand what i was trying to state. i never said that the "anti-liberity religious right" Is the middle.
i was trying to say Most people in the middle Tend to be conservative, but because of the "anti liberity religious right", they call themselves "middle."
that is, they are conservative on most issues, but they dont like the incestuous relationship the Religous Right has with government, and the anti-liberity leanings that Fundamentalist have on many issues.
but i explain political terms more in the quiz thread.
Posted by: mooseboy84 at July 11, 2005 07:10 PMWell, the thing is that we have to keep in mind that everyone has a different place in the sand where they draw the centrist/moderate line anyway. I've met people who have clamed to be moderate who come off more liberal to me and some who come off more conservative. It just depends where you draw that line.
Posted by: mrs. muddy at July 11, 2005 08:19 PMIt's true that extremes are dangerous, and in some ways close for being fanatics. However, the fanatics are very useful to those in the middle, they're the one who bring change. So if you are in the middle and a bit nervous because of all the gay movement, you may thank the right wing fanatics who have made fighting gay claims their priority. And indeed there may be some problem in granting gays the right to adopt and parent children.
On the other end, if you're a worker, you may thank those socialist union leaders who work for your higher wages.
So thank God there are some believers in this world.
And thank our collective wisdom and past democratic leaders there are institutions who help to draw a line between fine political arguments and protest and excessive oppression (hate speech, physical threats).
That's the same thing about genova conventions and the UNO by the way, they help reduce the danger of war and allow some legal bullying between states, but not too much.
If you go along the distinction you could say that the USA as a country is a fanatical country which wants to rule the world, and Iraq was a fanatical country wanting to rule the neighbouring region. Instead of respecting the due process of law, one fanatic suppressed the other and is discovering (again) that fanatism breeds fanatism, and due process of law takes a long time and a hard commitment to be imposed on all sides in conflict.
Posted by: DF at July 13, 2005 05:52 AM