Authorities called it one of the worst rape cases they could recall.
Seven gang members and three female associates were charged Monday with raping a woman as the mother of one suspect allegedly watched and encouraged the assault, authorities said.
The 23-year-old victim was targeted because her boyfriend had angered members of the Anaheim gang, authorities said.
She was lured into a hotel room by a female gang associate at a Feb. 23 party then sexually assaulted over a seven-hour period, Anaheim police Chief John Welter said.
He called it "one of the worst rapes I've seen in my 35 years experience."
Authorities identified the 38-year-old "gang mother" as Connie Herrera Retana and her son as 18-year-old Martin Carlos Delgado. Police said the victim was lured into the room and beaten by 23-year-old Jolean Disbrow.
"It makes you shake your head that mothers could be participating," said Orange County Assistant District Attorney Susan Kang Schroeder. "It shows how a group mentality can breed disgusting behavior."
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Ok, so your only shock is that the mother "watched" her sons and company rape a woman for seven long hours!?!?!?!
Are you kidding me??
How about that someone was raped to begin with?
How about it was for seven hours, a fifteen year old involved and your only distressed that the mother was there watching? This country (or more specifically California) is going down the crapper. Maybe we should dump our liberal ways where the innocent are persecuted and the guilty are protected. I say we bring back public hangings, if you rape or kill, bring your ass out into the public square and string you up. -Ed
Thats intresting, public hangings, firing squads and eletric chairs didnt seem to stop rapes or murder.
What other ideas do you have?
Posted by: mooseboy84 at March 15, 2006 05:42 AMWe no longer use those in most states so how do you know it wouldn't have?
Also, in California, the death penalty is so rarely used.
If we REALLY wanted to make the death penalty effective, we would mandate it for such crimes and make the execuations public: "See Johnny, this is what will happen to you if you commit murder or rape."
Posted by: skywalker at March 15, 2006 07:31 AM"If we REALLY wanted to make the death penalty effective, we would mandate it for such crimes and make the execuations public:"
Yes, but see, the death penalty alone is look at by some people as "inhumane". If someone holds that opinion - fine. But they should never make the rules for the rest of us. They don't have the stomach to give proper punishments.
Trust me....if we gave people like this exactly and *everything* they deserve for these kind of crimes then people like these dispicable gang memebers would be knocking down the doors of therapists all over town and BEGGING them to give them years of therapy so as they can display their anger in a more constructive manner and not take it out on some innocent girl for seven straight hours.
Posted by: mrs. muddy at March 15, 2006 08:01 AMI'm in favor of giving people exactly what they gave their victims.
Posted by: skywalker at March 15, 2006 08:16 AM"I'm in favor of giving people exactly what they gave their victims."
That, my dear....and SO much more!
Posted by: mrs. muddy at March 15, 2006 08:33 AMLets go back to the good ol days where vegetarians were lynched as commies.
Skywalker: Cali has given more people the death penalty than any other state, even Texas. Seriously man, if you love execution and hate freedom so much then just move to Saudi where you can get all the public executions you want. Capital punishment has never prevented a crime. It has however killed many innocent people.
When the government imposes capital punishment it sets a precedent for all the people. That precedent is "killing is OK". We have experimented with capital punishment in many state s in the US and in ALL cases the violent crime and murder rate INCREASED after adding capital punishment. This is not anecdotal - this is a fact.
It is sad that gang mentalities can lead to horror stories like this one (and the MANY other stories of violence in the US)
Capital punishment does nothing to address the root causes of gang violence. A far wiser investment would be to use the billions spent on executions instead on social programs that give the empovershed an option other than to join a gang, pimp or steal. In this way we could stop violence and killings before they happen rather than just add one more dead body after the fact.
It just blows my mind that any christian could be FOR state executions. I mean the cross itself is a pretty damn clear anti-execution statement. Do you honestly think that killing someone out of revenge is somehow christlike? Seriously, killing a murderer does not bring the dead back to life, people have been trying for at least thousands of years and it just does not work.
Posted by: bennyhill1978 at March 24, 2006 03:57 PM"It just blows my mind that any christian could be FOR state executions."
Well, at least I've done *something* worth while today.
"Cali has given more people the death penalty than any other state, even Texas"
I'm personally curious. Has it handed down more death *sentances* or have they actually *carried* them out. There's a difference.
"if you love execution and hate freedom so much...."
****Mrs. muddy is trying to figure out where Skywalker said that****
"Capital punishment does nothing to address the root causes of gang violence."
That's not *supposed* to be the purpose of capital punishment anyway. Punishment is what you recieve when you do something wrong (obviously). Their are MANY root causes of gang violence. Ok, though, I personally have no problem with putting all that money that we spend on the way we perform executions on social programs. I have no problem going back to hangings myself. It's cheaper anyhow. You find a strong and sturdy tree with a high brach (shouldn't be that difficult to find) and all the money you would spend would be on the rope. Heck....*I'D* be MORE than willing to donate one myself.
"I mean the cross itself is a pretty damn clear anti-execution statement."
????
I have no idea what you really mean. All I can figure is you're refering to Jesus's death on the cross? If that IS what you're refering to - you're missing the point anyway. Jesus's death was so He could be the sacrifice for our sins and so we ourselves wouldn't have to recieve punishment (death and hell) for our sins but instead we could have forgiveness. Like I said, though, I'm not sure what you ment by that statement anyway.
"Do you honestly think that killing someone out of revenge is somehow christlike?"
Revenge is when you act out towards someone in a manner to get even with them.
Justice is when you give someone what they deserve. Whether it's a reward or punishment.
It just depends on the intention of every heart as far as if they're after revenge or justice. Personally, I want justice for this poor woman and for the gang memebers. And since they didn't kill her (that I'm aware of) then they wouldn't qualify for the death penalty.
"Seriously, killing a murderer does not bring the dead back to life,"
It's not about trying to bring someone back to life nor is it about trying to erase the crime that happened. Nobody wins! Who wins?! This woman will be going through YEARS of therapy (hopefully anyway) so she can get to a point of acceptance of what happened to her. Not to mention trying to find forgiveness somewhere, somehow for these people. Not to mention all her physical wounds she's healing from. These gang members? They've thrown their lives away. They've allowed hate and anger to destroy their lives. It worked. Maybe and hopefully all of those involved (victum and gang memebers and their loser of a mother) will somehow be able to find God's mercy and grace through all of this.
Posted by: mrs. muddy at March 24, 2006 05:28 PMbenny: you dont' understand how a Christian culd be for the death penalty because you don't understand the concept of personal responsibility. It's one thing for a guy to kill his wife when he walks in on her with another man. Punished yes, put to death no. But when a guy just kills an convenience store clerk during a robbery, especially with the clerk cooperating theny ou know what? Put him to death, he obviously didn't care to let that clerk lived why should we care to let him live? Or how about the guy who hills 5 women and mutilates the bodies just because he could? What is allowing him to rot in prison going to accomplish? He won't be rehabilitated. He probably won't learn much. He might even kill someone else in prison.
And benny, you're wrong, since 1976 there have been 13 executions in the state of California. There have been 361 in Texas.
Cases where the death penalty was handed down but the convicted was not actually executed does not count.
Posted by: skywalker at March 25, 2006 06:50 AM