Comments: Happy Thanksgiving

Happy [belated] Kill Indian day!

It just wouldnt be right if I didnt thrown in a liberal spin to rile you up. :D

Posted by mooseboy84 at November 26, 2005 03:00 PM

Sorry mooseboy....we're used to all the generic liberal spin you've got. You're going to have to try harder.:-)

Posted by mrs. muddy at November 26, 2005 04:04 PM

there is no way around it, the Indian's killed off the natives when they came over from Asia, only fair we did the same to them. :-)

The riling can go both ways, hehe.

Posted by Muddy at November 26, 2005 08:37 PM

Not to mention that it would be a false spin.

See, when the puritans/pilgrims initially came, they set up a commune, where no one owned anything, but everyone shared everything. It was everything Marx dreamed of. However, everyone soon became very unhappy. No one liked see the fruits of their hard work and success go to others who were lazy or unsucessful without compensation. Soon it all fell apart and they starved killing off a large portion of the population. Then, Gov. Bradford stepped in. He made it an every man for himself economy. If you couldn't find a way to provide for yourself, you would be at the mercy of everyone else. Everyone had a plot of land and they could do with it as they wished. Within months, the colony was flourishing. They then setup trading posts to trade with the indians. The profits and goods of their trades and crops and skilled labor went back to Britain Furthering the wealth of the growing British empire. This attracted more settlers and led to a general boom in the colony. Killing indians had nothing to do with thanksgiving. Thanks giving was about giving thanks to God for all the money they were making!

Posted by skywalker at November 27, 2005 01:32 PM

Thank you Professor Skywalker.:-)

Actually, muddy and I were talking about that the other day in the car with the kiddos. He had brought up that same thing. I had actually forgot about certain *specific* parts myself. I told muddy to do a write up about it but he obviously didn't have time.

It is a good example why communizim and socializm doesn't work.

Posted by mrs. muddy at November 27, 2005 02:25 PM

Thanksgiving day is the celebration of a battle where 700 Indians were slaughtered. Lookit up.

http://www.sail1620.org/discover_feature_thanksgiving_on_the_net_roast_bull_with_cranberry_sauce_part_1.shtml

That article talks about in on page 2/3.

Posted by mooseboy84 at November 27, 2005 04:27 PM

I've run into what is known as the "Thanksgiving Proclamation" of 1676 and that does talk about a war with the Indians but the history of thanksgiving steems from the annual harvest fests that the colonists used to have. In 1623, when after a long drought the colonists gathered for prayer. When rain came afterwards, William Bradford set aside a day of Thanksgiving to give thanks to God....and the Indians were invited.

Now, it could be fairly debated on both sides of why the Indians were "really" invited but the point was it was a feast set aside for thanking God for their blessings.

Quite frankly, I personally don't care why we celebrate thanksgiving. To me? It's just a holiday where some of my relatives find themselves in the same place at the same time and we can have a chance to get caught up with each others lives and never go hungry while doing it. I don't need a holiday to give thanks to God for everything He has blessed me with and given me - not to mention putting up with my sorry ass every day of my life. I thank Him every day of the year for His mercy and His grace.

Oh, btw.....

http://www.plimoth.org/learn/history/thanksgiving/fastandthanks.asp

http://www.pilgrims.net/plymouth/thanksgiving.htm

http://wilstar.com/holidays/thankstr.htm

...just incase you're interrested.

Posted by mrs. muddy at November 27, 2005 06:34 PM

All of the documentation I got from yourself monkmeister, was hearsay. Given that my knowledge comes from having been made to read they God awful boring diaries of people such as Gov. Bradford when I was in high school (thank God I brain dumped most of that crap immediately afterwards) I think I'll trust the first hand accounts over hearsay of a man who claims his ancestors were wronged in the event. (Typically doesn't make for the best sources.)

Posted by skywalker at November 27, 2005 11:47 PM

"Given that my knowledge comes from having been made to read they God awful boring diaries of people such as Gov. Bradford when I was in high school..."

On one hand I say - Kudos to your parents for making you do that!

The other hand, however, is thinking.....You snoop! How dare you read someone's diary! How would *you* feel if someone read yours, hmmmm? :-P

Posted by mrs. muddy at November 28, 2005 12:14 AM
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